[BroJoeK]

FLT-bird: "There is no doubt the Founding Fathers were embarrassed by the existence of slavery which ran directly contrary to their lofty rhetoric expressed in the Declaration of Independence.
I don't think anyone would dispute that."

Then you have not really paid attention to jeffersondem's arguments here.
Jeffersondem insists, against all evidence to the contrary, that our Founders "enshrined" bondage in their "pro-slavery" Constitution.

So I suspect jeffersondem will be dismayed to learn from you that our Founders were embarrassed by an institution which ran directly contrary to their own lofty rhetoric.
Who would ever suspect that?

And I think DiogenesLamp shares jeffersondem's views on this.

Both will be highly disappointed to learn that you've now joined the opposition, at least on this topic.

😉

[FLT-bird]

BroJoeK: Then you have not really paid attention to jeffersondem's arguments here. Jeffersondem insists, against all evidence to the contrary, that our Founders "enshrined" bondage in their "pro-slavery" Constitution.

Sure I have. My statement that they were embarrassed by slavery and his statement that they nevertheless enshrined it in the US Constitution are not at odds with each other. People can be hypocritical. The Founding Fathers were on this issue.

BroJoeK: So I suspect jeffersondem will be dismayed to learn from you that our Founders were embarrassed by an institution which ran directly contrary to their own lofty rhetoric. Who would ever suspect that?

I doubt he would disagree with me that they found it embarrassing.

BroJoeK: And I think DiogenesLamp shares jeffersondem's views on this. Both will be highly disappointed to learn that you've now joined the opposition, at least on this topic.

But I haven't.

[DiogenesLamp]

So I suspect jeffersondem will be dismayed to learn from you that our Founders were embarrassed by an institution which ran directly contrary to their own lofty rhetoric.

I tend to agree they were embarassed, but even if that is true, they still put it into the constitution with legal force.