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1 posted on 04/29/2024 4:50:00 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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I guess you have to give the political science majors something to do or the crime rate will soar.


2 posted on 04/29/2024 4:50:15 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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Manhattan Contrarian ping


3 posted on 04/29/2024 4:50:56 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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The thesis of the Report is that batteries, and particularly lithium ion batteries, are the key to the impending energy transition, and need to be scaled up massively and immediately with whatever amount of government subsidies and handouts that it takes. Here are a few quotes from the press release:

Here’s the money shot!

We need to immediately take money from working people to save the world.

Just another scam to put money in the pockets of rich people by taking it from middle class and the working poor.

4 posted on 04/29/2024 5:03:53 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Wow! I urge everyone to go read his paper (Link is also in the article):

LINK: The Energy Storage Conundrum"

This is a phenomenally well done paper.

It is actually quite alarming, but I would rather be supplied with facts than with the Unicorn Farts and Pixie Dust these mental midgets in the various governmental and UN Agencies have been providing to the public.

6 posted on 04/29/2024 5:10:42 AM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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Poli-sci majors make for poor scientists...................


7 posted on 04/29/2024 5:31:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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What about a good old fashioned lead battery?
Oh, wait.
It’s the evil lead.
Nevermind


8 posted on 04/29/2024 5:38:32 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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Good post, thank you. But I have to argue one point based on perspective.

“but are not actually very smart.”

Depends on perspective. When you realize their true ulterior end goals they are right on top of it. The true end goal is to flip the switch off and throw us back to cave man status to reduce population in mass. They are doing an excellent job of setting up the perfect storm to do just that.

It is not supposed to actually work, that is the true plan.


10 posted on 04/29/2024 5:48:08 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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IEA-Insistent Expert Aholes


11 posted on 04/29/2024 5:50:36 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of this article. I, too, think it's ridiculous that the IEA would produce a report about storage in GW instead of GWh. And also that lithium-ion can't do long term storage.

FWIW, my lithium-ion batteries give me back only 90% of the power sent to them. Last year, my inverters sent a total of 12.0667 MWh to the batteries, and got back 10.8805 MWh. A 10% loss through the process of storing power to the batteries, the batteries holding the charge usually for less than half a day, and discharging the power from the batteries. It'd be a much larger loss if the batteries were expected to hold a charge for months to make it through the winter.

That 10% loss was expected and is within the parameters of me meeting my goals of being 80% energy independent (with me pulling from the grid 20% of my power needs for my all-electric house, including charging the EV which we do most of our driving in).

I'd have to probably double my solar capacity, inverter capacity, and battery capacity to be 100% energy independent. Why that much needed for the last 20%? Because of the law of diminishing returns. It's simply not feasible.

And that's for just a 2-person home (and 2-person driving). Imagine trying to be 100% "green energy" for not just a home, but a city, with large buildings, and large power needs like a hospital building or a manufacturing plant.

And that's with my warm sunny climate in Alabama. Imagine a northern city trying to be 100% energy independent. It'd be ridiculously expensive and even then require a lot of restrictions on their energy consumptions during rainy winters. Going all "green" is just a fantasy.

12 posted on 04/29/2024 5:51:10 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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I remember that in high School you could tell who did their homework and who slapped it together at the last minute. You could just tell...

It seems to me that an awful lot of reports coming out these days from ‘officials’ look just like that.


14 posted on 04/29/2024 5:58:06 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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The Brain-dead and their green energy


15 posted on 04/29/2024 5:59:17 AM PDT by butlerweave
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Just...wow.


17 posted on 04/29/2024 6:17:13 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Some people just look like wankers. Faith is one of them.


28 posted on 04/29/2024 8:07:08 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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A couple of issues I wondered about are: Do we have enough raw materials that we would need to make this many Lithium-ion batteries? Aren’t they the ones that are used in vehicles...the ones that occasionally catch fire?


30 posted on 04/29/2024 8:39:38 AM PDT by oldtech
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If we are to reach the lofty goals of windmill and solar farm driven energy sufficiency by 2030 or 2050 or whenever, battery storage of sufficient size to at least power a small city for days or weeks would have to be at least in a demonstration mode to show the feasibility of battery back supported grid. So far we haven’t seen anything bigger than Musk’s huge battery farms that supposedly could provide an hour or two of backup to the grid. In Australia one of these battery farms caught fire and burned for three days before being contained. The current capacity and reliability of the best battery technology is far from meeting these lofty goals in the even not too distant future.


41 posted on 04/29/2024 9:49:45 AM PDT by The Great RJ ( )
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I have Krell Class A power amplifiers (& some tubes) in my audio system. Wind/solar is not going to work for me - I need a nuke plant in the vicinity.


54 posted on 04/29/2024 3:12:26 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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