Posted on 04/23/2024 5:16:50 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner
There it is! That’s the citation I was trying to find.
Thank you! This applies to the letters of verification:
“(B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record—or by the officer’s deputy—and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal: “
That DID NOT HAPPEN with those 3 letters of verification. The seal used requires the signature of the HDOH Director and the letters didn’t have that.
That means that the HDOH has no valid BC for Obama and what Obama claims to have “published” is clearly known as a forgery because a non-valid BC would have to have the stamps showing why it was invalid: LATE and/or ALTERED, along with a notation of what evidence was supplied to alter the record.
Loretta Fuddy herself - by refusing to sign the 3 letters of verification that used her seal - proved that Obama did NOT post what her office sent to him.
You are ignoring my point and simply repeating yours.
My point is that Hawaii has no *EQUIVALENT* document to present. As their document cannot prove birth in the state, it is not the same document as other states produce.
It is like asking for a marriage license and someone sending you a fishing license. What they have submitted is useless to determine birth within a state.
Even if your full faith and credit argument were valid, the constitution also requires a "natural born citizen" and if a state cannot submit a document that proves this requirement, it cannot be accepted as proof.
The Constitution requires as much adhrence to the NBC clause as it does the "full faith and credit" clause. You don't get to toss one out by accepting a false compliance with the other.
“officer with legal custody of the record”
Dr. Alvin Onaka is that official. The letter of verification sent to the federal court in Mississippi has his signature stamp, initials and the seal of the Department of Health.
I know you don’t agree with that idea but according to your logic there are no official Hawaiian birth certificates as they are all stamped by the registrar with an illegal stamp.
Onaka has a seal of his own. That is what he uses on birth certificates. If that had been the seal used there would be no problem with the certification of the letters of verification
But the one on the verifications is not his seal. It is the official DOH seal - 2 1/4” in diameter and having stars separating the upper and lower banks of words around the perimeter - as opposed to Onaka’s smaller seal having dots replacing the stars. And it must have the director’s signature near it to verify/certify documents. It doesn’t, so that seal is legally worthless on those documents. They deliberately used a mismatched signature and seal to only give the APPEARANCE that it was certified, when it legally wasn’t.
That’s what I’ve clearly said and I’m not going to waste my time on you, no matter how many times you misrepresent what I’ve clearly said.
“Onaka has a seal of his own”
Where in Hawaii statutes is the Onaka seal described?
That is irrelevant.
You have only to look at the BC’s that have been posted to see that a seal other than the official seal is being used by the registrar now. It is made of dashes rather than constant impressed lines and has the other features I’ve described.
The official/director’s seal used to be used on all the certified BC’s along with director’s signature and the registrar’s certifying statement and signature. I’ve looked at enough of those to immediately know the difference between that seal and the ones used now.
But I don’t know why we’re even talking about this. I’m right and you know it. But it makes no difference right now. Won’t make any difference unless and until we get the rule of law back in this country. This is just one example of the lawlessness; there are plenty, plenty more that are more timely for the nation to be focusing on.
Time to admit you’re wrong and move on.
I’m moving on because being right on this no longer matters.
well from what i know & what i read is this.
she moved to Hawaii from mainland US.
At the time, Hawaii was a territory . She wasnt there long enough in the territory
to claim residence when Hawaii achieved statehood. Bar-Bar, if born there would have been born on american soil but she did not have enough time to claim residency in a territory
this info was explained to me i did not come up with this theory
“The official/director’s seal used to be used on all the certified BC’s along with director’s signature.”
That’s true but they stopped doing that back in the late 1960s to early 1970’s about the time they stopped using photostats.
“I’m right and you know it.”
No you are wrong §11-1-2 does not say the DOH seal can only be used by Director.
I never said it did.
I said it says the director’s signature must be near the seal to certify/verify documents.
And that’s exactly what it says.
But what’s the point of talking about it? You’re wrong, you’ll never admit you’re wrong, and this issue is long past.
What you are saying makes no sense.
According to you Dr. Onaka deliberately knowingly lied to the federal court in Mississippi but he didn’t want to lie to the court and say Obama certificate was valid and put “his own seal” on the verification.
So he was willing to lie to the court but not lie to the court.
Onaka never certified a fraudulent BC or verification for Obama. That was his job and he did it the only way he could, given that Fuddy was pushing him to break the law.
The seal used requires the signature of the HDOH Director
First, a copy of the record.
"a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record—or by the officer's deputy—and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody."
Second, a certificate:
"The certificate must be made under seal: ... (ii) by any public officer with a seal of office and with official duties in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept."
I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
The letter of verification is to be a certification that the birth facts submitted for verification are as claimed.
The HDOh knew these 3 letters were required to be certified. They failed to do so because the seal they used requires the director’s signature in order to certify/verify documents.
The fact that they refused to issue a certified letter of verification discloses that they have no valid BC on file for Obama. Which makes it clear that the BC published as if it was Obama’s is NOT what they have in the HDOH because it lacks the markings that would show its legal non-validity.
They failed to do so because the seal they used requires the director’s signature in order to certify/verify documents.
I provided a link to a copy of the certification of April 25, 2011 signed, "Loretta J. Fuddy, A.C.S.W, M.P.H., Director of Health" The great seal of the State of Hawaii is prominent.
Natural born citizen Barack H. Obama was elected, reelected, and served two full terms despite birth bleatings. Before him was Chester Arthur whose father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth.
A certifying seal is embossed.
It is simply inexplicable why birther arguments have failed in court over 300 times in a row.
Irrelevant.
As I said to somebody else, there’s no point in this. You’re wrong, you’ll never admit you’re wrong, and this issue is over.
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