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To: LonePalm; little jermiah
It appears to me that the warlike issues in Ukraine began when McCain and the little light-in-the-loafer Graham created the color revolution there. I remember reading that the Nazi Azov group murdered 14,000 citizens of Donbass since 2014.

Between the Azov Nazi, the biolabs, the child trafficking and our government officials laundering money in Ukraine, I think Russia justified to respond. Although any country should have demanded those crimes be stopped.

2,505 posted on 05/04/2024 3:23:41 AM PDT by nclaurel (The man with the pencil always wins. Paper ballots counted in full view now.)
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To: nclaurel
Yes those things were wrong, very wrong. But, AGAIN, they were only the putative casus belli and not the real motivation.

This was always going to happen sometime this decade regardless of the players involved. The reasons for the war are rooted in a witch's brew of national paranoia driven by Russian history, geophysical reality, and impending demographic collapse.

That merely makes a war of conquest understandable and NOT justifiable. Remember when the war started? Almost every military person, myself included, thought this would be a walkover.

When it wasn't we were given a great opportunity. It is in the national interest of all NATO members to bleed Russia white in Ukraine, thus preventing further aggression, regardless of motivation, by Russia.

I simply do not understand what I see from some on this thread. That is, the acceptance, nay applauding, of Russia's war of conquest, for that is what it is.

If anyone thinks I am wrong, please explain. What makes a war of conquest justifiable/acceptable? Should we allow Russia to control Ukraine just because we, including myself, don't like the people running Ukraine? Really? Who else should we permit to be invaded by a more powerful neighbor because of, REASONS? We are better than that.

SpyNavy

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

2,573 posted on 05/04/2024 11:12:14 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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