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To: LonePalm

In my mind, there is NO defense for Russia’s predation on Ukraine.

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If you wanted to learn the facts about this, I have much information. If you want to remain mired in the past which does not exist any more, your choice.


2,432 posted on 05/03/2024 2:29:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Coming)
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To: little jeremiah

Just came into my email inbox, I read just enough to know it is a very good overview and summary of the situation.

https://badlands.substack.com/p/a-bright-red-line

A Bright Red Line
Blinken, Burns and NATO’s Bid for Ukraine

From the very outset of the war in Ukraine, when the United States made it immediately clear that we’d be taking primary responsibility for funding and arming the Ukrainians, one question has continued to remain unanswered: why should the American Taxpayer care about who owns what land in Eastern Europe?

It is unquestionable that U.S. funding of this war adversely affects Americans economically, but it is still not entirely clear in what way this war is supposed to somehow be in the peoples’ best interest.

Another question that remains inadequately answered is why Putin decided to invade Ukraine in the first place. As with Iraq, Afghanistan and just about every other war in the last several decades, we are only given the explanation that best suits the Military Industrial Complex and the U.S. Security State.

Should we accept that Vladimir Putin, once described by Bill Clinton and every subsequent president as rational, suddenly turned into a psychopath over night? That he just woke up one day and decided to attack Ukraine for no reason at all, and is planning to march across Western Europe, attacking NATO countries next?

These propagandized, real-life super villains don’t just spring up out of nowhere, for no discernible reason and start wars arbitrarily. There are always motivating factors, and these factors almost always suppressed so that they never reach Western audiences.

[Much more at link including video snips.]


2,433 posted on 05/03/2024 2:32:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Coming)
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To: little jeremiah
I consider this to be irrelevant. There is NO justification for Russia invading and taking land from Ukraine.

Nevile Chamberlain discovered this principle to his, and Europe's, great sorrow.

The war exists. The question then becomes what is the best way to end it in a way that is in our national interests. Allowing Russia to win is a non-starter. Ukraine is only a speed bump on their way to what Russia considers defensible border. These would be the Bessarabian and Polish Gaps.

SpyNavy

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

If you are interested in having that discussion I'm all ears and eagerly await any proposal you may have.

2,437 posted on 05/03/2024 2:44:16 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: little jeremiah; LonePalm

RE: If you wanted to learn the facts about this...
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Follow the money, little jeremiah.

May 17, 2014

When Russia seized Crimea in March, it acquired not just the Crimean landmass but also a maritime zone more than three times its size with the rights to underwater resources potentially worth trillions of dollars.

Russia portrayed the takeover as reclamation of its rightful territory, drawing no attention to the oil and gas rush that had recently been heating up in the Black Sea.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/world/europe/in-taking-crimea-putin-gains-a-sea-of-fuel-reserves.html


2,503 posted on 05/04/2024 3:16:22 AM PDT by deks (Deo duce, ferro comitante · God for guide, sword for companion)
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