Posted on 04/12/2024 1:07:35 PM PDT by Miami Rebel
President Donald Trump called on the Arizona legislature to use “HEART” and “COMMON SENSE” and pass a pro-choice bill in a post on Truth Social Friday.
“The Supreme Court in Arizona went too far on their Abortion Ruling, enacting and approving an inappropriate Law from 1864. So now the Governor and the Arizona Legislature must use HEART, COMMON SENSE, and ACT IMMEDIATELY, to remedy what has happened,” wrote Trump. “Remember, it is now up to the States and the Good Will of those that represent THE PEOPLE. We must ideally have the three Exceptions for Rape, Incest, and Life of the Mother. This is important! Democrats are the EXTREMISTS – They support Abortion up to the moment of birth, and even execution of Babies, in some cases, after birth. This should not be. Arizona Legislature, please act as fast as possible!”
Earlier this week, the state Supreme Court in Arizona decided that an old law predating the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade outlawing abortion except for when the mother’s life is threatened was still valid. Trump’s call for the expansion of abortion rights in the Grand Canyon State comes just days after he promised not to back any pro-life legislation if he retakes the White House this November and represents an implicit retraction of his call for states to navigate the abortion debate on their own.
“My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it. From a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land, in this case, the law of the state,” explained Trump in a statement earlier this week. “Many states will be different. Many will have a different number of weeks, or some will have more conservative than others. And that’s what they will be at the end of the day. This is all about the will of the people. You must follow your heart or in many cases, your religion or your faith. Do what’s right for your family and do what’s right for yourself. Do what’s right for your children. Do what’s right for our country, and vote.”
Kari Lake, the Republican candidate for Senate in Arizona, has also called for pro-choice legislation in the state and promised not to support any federal bans on abortion if she’s elected.
“I think you meant McCain-RINO controlled legislature and court”
This RINO nonsense is tiresome. Anyone not in synch with Donald Trump’s political outlook is to you automatically a RINO. I don’t much about the Arizona justices but you’re out of your cotton-picking mind if you think that the Senators who congregated on the floor of their chamber and spoke in tongues are somehow closet Antifa agents who parachuted there.
I’m sorry if the truth makes you tired.
Trump senses the unfair manipulation and distortion of the body politic in Arizona and is rightly calling for the Republicans there to restore the status quo ante.
Separately, Trump sees that a politically discombobulated Arizona, with a wacked-out November ballot initiative deviously calling out Never-trump satanists statewide (and probably nationwide, if not also in the persons of thousands of illegal alien border-crossers) to vote FOR the ballot initiative and AGAINST Trump, could easily cause him to lose Arizona’s Electoral College votes. How does he win without Arizona?
“It’s Trump’s willingness to wade into controversial issues which he believes in....”
He’s unceasingly patted himself on the back for the reversal of Roe v. Wade, but you think you know what he TRULY believes in regarding abortion....and that what he believes in is a somewhat watered-down stance?
His new-found moderation isn’t, as you say, controversial. Rather, it’s a calculated tilt to the center.
Someone needs to tell the men who defend abortion, what goes on and how the baby dies.. How organs are taken with baby still alive and feeling pain. Someone should explain the procedure they want to make available.
Get to the guts of what they are asking a man with children, to approve.. Murder to the most innocent and helpless of all God’s creatures
Thomas Jefferson advocated for law to serve the living.
This Guy can’t agree with this line of Jefferson’s reasoning in all cases. But he is on the record and the idea merits discussion.
In this case Jefferson would definitely be in favor of Arizona’s legislature acting to restore the status quo ante.
http://www.stateoftheunionhistory.com/2016/07/did-thomas-jefferson-believe-in-living.html?m=1#!
I’m a dictator.
“His new-found moderation isn’t, as you say, controversial. Rather, it’s a calculated tilt to the center.”
A crass indictment.
From where did he tilt?
I’m inclined to think that the SCoAZ ruled as they did with the Federal apparatus out of the way.
Roadblocks removed, they looked at the laws they had “on the books” and ruled in that manner; regardless of it being a territorial law.
There were no other laws to rule on?
SCoAZ says, let’s push the reset button and let We the People of AZ tell us if the law is off-base.
This is how the Constitution was intended to work.
10th Amendment.
The culture of death has some pro lifers accepting 15 week mark as a watered down stance.
Those pro lifers are really hypocrites at their core willing to tilt to the culture of death..
The culture of death needs to die for life to win..
Until that death cult take its dirt nap, the compromise with the cult of death continues..
Until it gets its wish. And dies..
The Supreme Court of AZ did not make any laws they did their job and ruled on whether the law violated AZ’s constitution. You would think Trump would be rather cautious about trashing a court’s decision that was not based on political bias.
Go back to the rule of watch a video of an abortion before we do the process..
Pro Abortion people didn’t even want that available.
How many know the process? Few.
>>”He’s unceasingly patted himself on the back for the reversal of Roe v. Wade, but you think you know what he TRULY believes in regarding abortion.”
I never said I know what Trump truly believes in, regarding abortion, and I don’t particularly care. What’s in his heart is between him and his maker. All I can tell you is that he’s kept his promises regarding abortion and has rightly patted himself on the back for reversing Roe v. Wade.
Trump never said he was going to put abortion above every other issue that the country’s facing. And yet he’s done more to help the pro-life cause than any of the purists.
In his statements he's NOT saying abortion is good, but he is making a political calculus. The left wants to make this election about abortion, he wants to take it off the table and make the election about the failures in everything the left has done. If he's successful, then he wins.
If he wins then the horror of abortion on demand for all ages will not march to success. If he wins we will no longer pay through the government for abortion on demand for others. We will stop funding abortions overseas. The pro-life agenda will absolutely be forwarded.
If he wins we will have the ability to use state's rights for this issue, meaning we will have to change the hearts and minds of our fellow citizens.
If he loses, we get none of those. To all the pro-life "purists" on this board. You have a binary choice, a perfect anti-abortion stance and probably lose the election, probably losing everything, including the abortion debate. Or rally behind this effort by Trump to win and further the pro-life position.
It should be a no brainer, and too many are, as Reagan put it, making the perfect the enemy of the good.
Well said.
>>”His [Trump’s] new-found moderation isn’t, as you say, controversial.
It isn’t? Then what do you think all this heat he’s taking from people like yourself and other self-proclaimed conservatives is?
No.
From their decision.
“The legislature has demonstrated its consistent design to restrict elective abortion to the degree permitted by the Supremacy Clause and an unwavering intent since 1864 to proscribe elective abortions absent a federal constitutional right … To date, our legislature has never affirmatively created a right to, or independently authorized, elective abortion. We defer, as we are constitutionally obligated to do, to the legislature’s judgment, which is accountable to, and thus reflects, the mutable will of our citizens.”
“Banning abortions was a bedrock Republican value till there was a political reckoning.”
Not true that it was “bedrock”, which would imply “universal” within the GOP, which was never true.
The GOP’s main aborion positions at the national level were:
(1) Roe V Wade was wrong on CONSTITUTIONAL grounds and NOT because of a Constitutional ban on abortion, but because the Constitution is MUTE on abortion. It is, as Alito said, a matter for the states.
(2) The federal government and all taxpayers should not be funding or promoting abortion.
(3) Abortion should not be abortion on demand under any, no matter what, circumstances,
(4) On a moral basis, abortion is killing of a life in the womb.
Beyond all that, the GOP voters and legislatures have had different approahces to the abortion laws, before Roe and after Roe was discarded. I think most of the GOP approaches are not terribly far apart, but I’d not agree there was one “bedrock” GOP position.
Full disclosure: In all of the above I am speaking of my political observations, not my own position, which is pro-life.
“This AZ Supreme Court decision may very well have been made to intentionally hurt Trump’s chances of winning AZ...”
100%
A nurse whose job in an abortion, was to hold the baby while they harvested or killed the baby. She could not take it.. She’d go home and could not shake the horror she saw and felt. She resigned.
These people are making decisions on something they do not know, in reality, have not seen.
Put it out there so people can see what an abortion is. The baby knows.. Lawmakers need to know.
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