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To: Mr Rogers

“In U. S. v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the circuit court, said: ‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.”

Thank you for proving my point. Born in allegiance means the parents were citizens.

There are children being born of parents who just jumped the border. The parents are definitely NOT in allegiance to the United States.

Immigrants going through naturalization ceremonies have to raise their hands and pledge allegiance before they are declared citizens.

Again, you are so stupid.


141 posted on 01/20/2024 1:09:39 PM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

“Born in allegiance means the parents were citizens.”

You do not get to make up your own facts! Born “in allegiance” specifically means, as it meant with natural born subject, BORN UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE KING. Ie, in the land where the king ruled.

I gave you extensive quotes and a link to the Supreme Court cases that discussed it in detail.

But you? You just make up your own “facts” and then blame the courts for not bowing to your totally worthless stupidity!


153 posted on 01/20/2024 7:53:08 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: odawg

““The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance—also called ‘ligealty,’ ‘obedience,’ ‘faith,’ or ‘power’—of the king. The principle embraced all persons born within the king’s allegiance, and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual,—as expressed in the maxim, ‘Protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem,’—and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance; but were predicable of aliens in amity, so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens, were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the king’s dominions, were not natural-born subjects, because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the king....”


154 posted on 01/20/2024 7:53:59 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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