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The River Finally Came for Bill Belichick [fired]
https://www.theringer.com ^ | Jan 11, 2024, 8:44am EST | By Justin Sayles

Posted on 01/11/2024 8:08:23 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

No fan of the Pats or Belichick. But after 23 years and all those Super Bowl wins, he deserves better than being fired.

A strong suggestion for a retirement would have been appropriate.


21 posted on 01/11/2024 8:31:24 AM PST by Michael.SF. (There is only one reason why I will ever vote for a Republican: Democrats)
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To: Red Badger
By any reasonable tally, Belichick is the greatest winner who's ever coached.

I can say this objectively because I remember Belichick from his early days as an NFL assistant in the 1980s. I think the guy has always been a very overrated coach who owes his success largely to the mediocrity of his peers among NFL head coaches. There were just too many times -- and that Super Bowl fiasco with Seattle was a classic case of it -- where opposing coaches were just flat-out intimidated by the overblown mystique of coaching against the mythical genius named Bill Belichick, and they felt like they had to develop special game plans and run unpredictable plays to beat him when they could have won just on talent alone.

To me, the most noteworthy statistic from Belichick's career as a head coach is his 0-2 Super Bowl record against inferior New York Giants teams coached by the decent (but hardly spectacular) head coach, Tom Coughlin. The only difference between Coughlin and the other head coaches in the NFL is that Coughlin was never intimidated by Belichick. He probably wasn't even overly impressed by him. Coughlin is six years older than Belichick, and they both worked as assistant coaches for the Giants under Bill Parcells before they were head coaches.

Vince Lombardi is the greatest sports coach of the last century in North American sports, and it probably isn't even close. Lombardi was a superior coach on the field as well as a legendary builder of character among his players. This was the man who lost his first NFL championship game with the Packers, then promised his players that it would never happen again ... and it never did.

22 posted on 01/11/2024 8:31:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Red Badger

If he was fired, this article holds the world record for not getting to the point.


23 posted on 01/11/2024 8:31:46 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Michael.SF.

At least it sounds like it was handled better than when Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry.


24 posted on 01/11/2024 8:32:07 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Rummyfan

It would have been even better had he not benched Malcolm Butler against the Eagles for disciplinary reasons. His replacement couldn’t cover a cooked ham. Bill’s ego screwed his entire team.


25 posted on 01/11/2024 8:32:33 AM PST by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there , a lady with her legs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: dfwgator

I’m hearing Alabama.


26 posted on 01/11/2024 8:35:37 AM PST by Toespi
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To: DIRTYSECRET
The talk has been Chargers, maybe Raiders, maybe Falcons, now it has shifted to Titans with that firing.
27 posted on 01/11/2024 8:38:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Politics do not make strange bedfellows, and the enemy of your enemy may still be your enemy.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Aaron Rogers quits and runs for senate vs. Baldwin-Wisc. We can dream.


28 posted on 01/11/2024 8:40:57 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Red Badger

Certainly a HOF coach, but I give more credit for all those Super Bowl titles to Brady than Belichick.


29 posted on 01/11/2024 8:47:32 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: IndyTiger

Yep, when Brady left the Pats became a third rate team..........and Brady won another ring..............


30 posted on 01/11/2024 8:49:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Michael.SF.

Semantics, either way...............


31 posted on 01/11/2024 8:55:15 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

What is Bill Belichik’s record without Tom Brady, both in Cleveland and in New England? Does he even have a winning record in games without Brady? Of course, any head coach needs good players to win, but calling Belichik the greatest NFL coach of all time is ridiculous - Tom Brady could have made any number of halfway decent head coaches into perennial winners.


32 posted on 01/11/2024 8:56:48 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Red Badger
...the greatest run in pro sports history.

Whatever else is said of the Patriot Belichick years, that is true. In an age of parity across all sports no one else comes close (maybe Alabama and Nick Saban).

33 posted on 01/11/2024 8:57:12 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.)
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To: dfwgator
He’ll end up somewhere, I’m hearing Atlanta.

Atlanta, Washington, the LA Chargers..... He'll be able to define the terms of his employment and I think it will depend on whichever franchise gives him the degree of control he wants.

34 posted on 01/11/2024 8:59:51 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.)
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To: Rummyfan
....but his record speaks for itself.

You are what your record says you are: Bill Parcells after his first season as the Giants head coach going 3-12.

Giants fan here and always admired Belichick's dedication to winning which made beating him in SB XLII all the more sweeter.

35 posted on 01/11/2024 8:59:59 AM PST by capydick (“the Bible are the answers Withinfor all the problems men face.the covers of )
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To: Rummyfan

They are BFFS......................


36 posted on 01/11/2024 9:05:10 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
What is Bill Belichik’s record without Tom Brady, both in Cleveland and in New England? Does he even have a winning record in games without Brady? Of course, any head coach needs good players to win, but calling Belichik the greatest NFL coach of all time is ridiculous - Tom Brady could have made any number of halfway decent head coaches into perennial winners.

Could he? Would Brady if he had gone to a QB graveyard franchise like Chicago or Cleveland or Atlanta? I think it was a near-perfect symbiosis. They complemented each other.

37 posted on 01/11/2024 9:07:07 AM PST by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

From BRAVE AI:

As of 11 Jan 2024, Bill Belichick’s record without Tom Brady is 82-98, according to a Reddit post from 13 Nov 2023.1 Belichick’s record with Brady is 219-64, a 77% winning rate, equivalent to winning 13 games for each 17-game season. However, he has a pedestrian 80-93 regular-season record without Brady, equivalent to going 8-9 every year for a decade, according to a post from 17 Oct 2023.

So, without Tom, he’s nothing special.....................


38 posted on 01/11/2024 9:07:53 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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Q: What is Bill Belichik’s record without Tom Brady, both in Cleveland and in New England? Does he even have a winning record in games without Brady?

A: This is the beauty of sports, we'll never know as you can't separate the two so the debate will go on but will always end up in the same place. As Parcells has said: "you are what your record says you are." Period, end of story - there are no yea but's...especially in life....

39 posted on 01/11/2024 9:09:12 AM PST by capydick (“the Bible are the answers Withinfor all the problems men face.the covers of )
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To: Red Badger

Exactly. I remember Brady at Michigan, the debate was whether he or a local guy (Drew Henson, from Brighton, just outside Ann Arbor) should start - of course many wanted the local guy. Tom’s career could have misfired before he was even eligible for the draft. Drew ended up going into baseball...


40 posted on 01/11/2024 9:09:51 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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