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DIVERSITY is our strength !
1 posted on 12/14/2023 8:05:03 PM PST by traumer
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They cannot say that it wasn’t caused by women, because there were no men in the pilot’s seat.

It probably crashed for the same reason there are few female racecar drivers, because there are skills that are inherently male and inherently female and flying a jet plane is what men do best.


2 posted on 12/14/2023 8:07:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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What about all the crashes with male crews?


3 posted on 12/14/2023 8:08:50 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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4 posted on 12/14/2023 8:09:28 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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This follows the mishap on the Space Station where the two women went on a space walk and dropped the tool bag that’s still floating around up there.


5 posted on 12/14/2023 8:11:36 PM PST by BipolarBob (Yes officer, I saw the speed limit sign. I just didn't see you.)
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Diversity is out strength! Perversity is our guide!


11 posted on 12/14/2023 8:32:17 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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The difference between overrunning in an aborted take-off vs. in landing is the difference between night and day. They aren't even in the same universe of comparison.

Women not involved? There was not a Dick on that airplane just a bunch of Jills.

Diversity? Pffft! Merit is most of what got us where we were. Diversity will just put us back to where we began.

12 posted on 12/14/2023 8:36:00 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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John McCain


13 posted on 12/14/2023 8:44:16 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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The problem is not female pilots...the problem is double standards in training and political pressure to pass women through the training pipeline. This is what killed Kara Hultgreen BTW.


23 posted on 12/14/2023 9:01:32 PM PST by rottndog (What comes after America?)
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AND...don’t count on the Navy to find and release the cause of the crash anytime soon.


25 posted on 12/14/2023 9:03:49 PM PST by rottndog (What comes after America?)
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Bullcrap. If there was a male in the cockpit, they would have subtley released his name already just to shut down the speculation.
And the example of the E-3 crash is -completely- different. That was an aborted takeoff for a perceived emergency, almost certain to result in an excursion off the end of the runway... but one that would likely allow everyone to survive.

That is a totally different accident than screwing up a landing, and then after you’ve done so, not executing a normal go around or even touch and go.

The woman crew screwed this up.


26 posted on 12/14/2023 9:06:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up.)
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32 posted on 12/14/2023 9:13:03 PM PST by Varsity Flight ( "War by 🙏🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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It crashed because of woke, that is the reason.
Can’t hurt feelings, correct bad behaviors, or put people under stress in training because it makes them uncomfortable, so stress situation pops up and it’s tiktok/Instagram time.


37 posted on 12/14/2023 9:27:00 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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Data needed for judgement.

1. Touchdown point, this one is a biggie.
2. Wind direction and speed
3. Approach speed and speed at touchdown
4. Runway conditions
5. Mechanical failures if any
6. Were they flying an instrument approach or visual?
7. Was the pilot executing the approach being properly monitored by the second pilot during the approach?
8. Voice recorder of what was being said or “not said” during the entire landing sequence.

The Air Force has all eight above. They know what happened but we do not. In my opinion the pilots screwed up. The fact they are female is irrelevant. Males run off the end of the runway also. I have known many excellent female pilots.


38 posted on 12/14/2023 9:27:50 PM PST by cpdiii (cane cutter-deckhand-oilfield roughneck-drilling fluiids tech-geologist-pilot-instructor-pharmacist)
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I wouldn’t blame the entire crew, some of the crew on board have zip to do with the flying.

I’d blame the pilots. And they were women. People make a big deal because the military made a point to highlight it first. So we can also note it in our criticism.


45 posted on 12/14/2023 9:55:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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48 posted on 12/14/2023 10:05:18 PM PST by montag813
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This reminds me of the several articles about the collision involving the USS Fitsgerald where the OOD, JOOD, and CIC Watch Officer were all female. Their defense attorney made the point that the problem did not only involve the women. The ship CO, squadron commander, Commander 7th Fleet, etal all got punches on their diversity tickets for promotion by passing these females for enhanced responsibilities. Only when the women appeared on the wrong side of a green table did they discover they were not qualified for the jobs.


52 posted on 12/14/2023 10:26:16 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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and the Navy doesn’t want to clarify anything


54 posted on 12/14/2023 10:50:35 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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VP-4 “Skinny Dragons” based at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island…

Dang. That was my Dad’s squadron way back when. There weren’t any women in it then.

My mom passed away from an illness when I was in my 20s and I was my dad’s “date” to a couple of his squadron reunions when he was retired from the Navy. I loved the stories about the various bars in Okinawa VP-4 was banned from.

57 posted on 12/14/2023 11:27:03 PM PST by Allegra (Less propaganda would be appreciated. )
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USS Fitzgerald, Laura Hultgreen

and this Navy cover up:

NAS WHITING FIELD — A U.S. Navy investigation into the 2020 crash of a T-6B Texan II single-engine turboprop training aircraft from Naval Air Station Whiting Field that killed a Navy instructor pilot and a Coast Guard student pilot has determined their deaths were “not due to misconduct or negligence.”

Navy Lt. Rhiannon Ross and Coast Guard Ensign Morgan Garrett died on impact when their plane came down in a residential area near Foley, Alabama, on the afternoon of Oct. 23, 2020, as they were en route to a landing field east of the city.

https://www.nwfdailynews.com/story/news/military/2022/01/05/naval-air-station-whiting-field-navy-report-fatal-crash-rhiannon-ross-morgan-garrett/9088581002/

They were flathatting. The only T-6B fatalities to date.


58 posted on 12/14/2023 11:33:15 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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It’s pretty easy to start pinning the blame. Look at the weather reports. The tailwinds were out of limits. Anyone who’s flown out of Kanehoe Bay knows that the runway is problematic because of terrain and winds. The Navy should have kept Barber’s Point open. Bad headwork all around.


59 posted on 12/14/2023 11:38:10 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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