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To: BroJoeK
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Update from Ukraine | Ruzzia was forced to retreat from their positions in Avdiivka Glory to Ukraine, BroJoeK wrote:
Gaffer: "The real question is, "Did he actually buy the yachts with any money from anywhere?"
If that question's answer is "yes," then it shows an insensitivity and/or misplaced priorities during Ukraine's efforts to repulse Russia's invasion.
IWO, very bad optics IMO."

Update from Prof Gerdes on this whole subject of alleged $75 million used to purchase two yachts by friends of Ukraine Pres. Zelenskyy -- the story is 100% complete fake, fraud, Russian disinformation operation, nothing whatever real about it.

In two different videos, this was the first one, Gerdes traces the fraud's source and how it was picked up by others and reposted, including by Clayton Morris -- "Redacted" -- formerly of Fox News.

No. More propaganda. Biden, Kamala, and many other treasonous Americans support Ukraine and wear a flag label  pin, because their money and careers depend on the Ukrain.

I don't know why the obvious, documented epic corruption in the Ukraine, and the low character of Zelensky encourages you to doubt anyone who speaks against him. He's in charge of the globalists money laundering machine - you think they don't pay him? Is he a volunteer? He integrate the Azov Nazis into the National Gaurd, and is destroying his people and his country for personal gain, he's ignoring organ harvesting and child trafficking, refuse to investigate the obvious crimes of his paymasters (e.g. Biden etc.)  Sadly the Ukraine is rotting from the top down, starting from the top of the government.

We have countless attempts to lltigate against Trump that are all 'documented' and processed through the courts to sound convincing, backed by the MSM. Why would I take as fact the words of a physics professor scanning Youtube while wearing a Ukrainian flag pin?

146 posted on 12/01/2023 2:58:50 AM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUSTPING)
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To: ransomnote
--- "Why would I take as fact the words of a physics professor scanning Youtube while wearing a Ukrainian flag pin?"

Good morning. A small correction. Gerdes is not a physics professor. He teaches business management. And his CV shows his degrees, from somewhat minor universities in his local area.

Source: https://www.charlestonsouthern.edu/directory/gerdes-darin/

He is flogging his book, "I need Ammunition, Not A Ride," on his web blog, linking to Amazon. That work is already over a year out of date, which is why writing "history" should be done later than sooner.

Source: https://www.daringerdes.com/i-need-ammunition-not-a-ride-book/

As with many of the "experts" on the Ukraine/Russia war, he is American, not a war correspondent. So many of the YouTube channels are uploaded from the US and elsewhere nowhere near Ukraine. They are all experts, and all monetized, and all have something to sell. Money makes the world go 'round.

149 posted on 12/01/2023 3:44:48 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: ransomnote; UMCRevMom@aol.com
ransomnote: "No.
More propaganda.
Biden, Kamala, and many other treasonous Americans support Ukraine and wear a flag label pin, because their money and careers depend on the Ukrain."

The story of $75 million spent on two luxury yachts by friends of Ukraine Pres. Zelenskyy is total Russian propaganda lies.
It's been 100% debunked and those who spread the lies have been embarrassed and deleted their reports -- i.e., Clayton Morris at Redacted.

As for our unfortunate necessity of having to ally with our own corrupt Democrats, that is a sad thing, but, as I pointed out before, we have done much worse in the past, with the premier example being our alliance with monster-Stalin in WWII, to defeat bigger-monster Hitler.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, and still smile about it.

ransomnote: "I don't know why the obvious, documented epic corruption in the Ukraine, and the low character of Zelensky encourages you to doubt anyone who speaks against him."

Because it's all lies, 100% Russian propaganda sewage, and I don't know what possesses you people to repeat and repeat such nonsense uncritically.

Ransomnote, do you have a brain?
Do you know anything about logic and reason?
Is your brain besotted with Russian propaganda, or can you still listen to other reason?

Let's do a logical exercise.
Suppose for sake of argument that even some of the endless Russian propaganda lies you people post here, suppose some of them are somewhat true.
What difference does that make?

  1. Does it change the fact that Vlad the Invader in 2014 and again in 2022 launched unprovoked, unjustified, 100% illegal invasions of Ukraine and then in gross violation of every law known to mankind, he seized and annexed parts of Ukraine's sovereign territories?

  2. Does it change the fact that no serious legal entity has recognized Vlad the Invader's annexations of Ukrainian territories?

  3. Does it change the fact that Ukrainians have a 100% recognized right to fight like h*ll to defend their country, and to ask for help from anyone willing to support them?

  4. Does it change the fact that Ukraine is far from a "one of" on Vlad the Invader's list of future conquests?
    Rather, there is a long list of smaller countries Vlad has threatened or invaded or wants to restore to the Old Soviet/Russian Empires.

  5. Does it change the fact that Vlad the Invader has allied himself with other revanchist nations, including the CCP's Xi-snake, NoKo's Little Kim and Iran's Moolah Mullahs -- all seeking conquests of their smaller neighbors wherever possible?

  6. Does it change the fact that victory in Ukraine for Russia will only encourage Vlad & New Axis of Evil allies to invade other smaller countries and make it ever more difficult for the Western World to defend itself?

  7. Does it change the fact that victory of authoritarian dictatorships over Western-style democracies can only make the world less safe, less prosperous and less happy?
As I see it, that's what's at stake here.
And all the pro-Russian propaganda lies in the world don't change a single bit of that.

ransomnote: "We have countless attempts to lltigate against Trump that are all 'documented' and processed through the courts to sound convincing, backed by the MSM.
Why would I take as fact the words of a physics professor scanning Youtube while wearing a Ukrainian flag pin?"

Physics professor? No:

His reports are entirely fact-based and in this particular example began with the original fake-news report about the two yachts allegedly sold, traced the report through various propaganda repeaters until it reached mass-marketers like Clayton Morris at Redacted.

But Gerdes was not the only one examining this fake news report.
Others looked even deeper into it than Gerdes did and found it's all 100% fraudulent -- yes, the two yachts are real, but everything else about the reports is false, beginning with the fact that they were never sold, they are still for sale and you yourself can buy them if you want to.
The documents shown are fake, the signatures are frauds.
There's nothing valid in any of it.

But our pro-Russian propagandists here are so eager to grab onto anything negative they can find about Ukraine, you guys don't care in the least what's true or not true, so long as it supports your hatreds of Ukrainians and love for Vlad the Invader.

I personally think it is very sad and cannot comprehend how anybody can ever get so confused and disoriented as you guys are. And why?

151 posted on 12/01/2023 4:40:59 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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