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To: BroJoeK

The whole point of using proxy buyers is to be able to say there’s no proof that what they bought has anything to do with the buyer.

If you read up on Zelensky, he got where he is now in part by the support of an oligarch. He’s got mansions to retreat to once the Ukraine collapses. MANSIONS. Multiple mansions.

Do you recall his choosing to be photographed with his wife and a stack of money? Do you recall her being exposed for Paris shopping sprees while her country was struggling?

These yachts are nothing compared to what Zelensky already owns - so I am not scandalized that his proxies are doing what they were supposed to do - make it look unrelated to him personally.

I’m sorry but Ukrainian actors/producers don’t amass the kingly wealth that is common in Hollywood. He wasn’t particularly good or popular - to propose he bought yachts off his ‘actor/producer’ earnings seems preposterous to me.So there’s nothing but his puppet wages and skimming off of the ‘foreign aid’ from the US/NATO, originally intended for the war, to explain his net worth now.

The comparison to Putin’s yacht is pointless in that the public can believe he’s not skimming it off US foreign aid.

Many heads of state (and legislators) of countries like the US, Britain, France etc. use their position in unethical ways to build wealth through means I don’t like - and Putin is no different. But those of us in the United States aren’t sending him 113 Billion dollars to fight a proxy war, and being asked to send him another 100 Billion to go yacht shopping.

As usual, the Ukrainian zealots are accusing Putin propagandists of doing what Zelensky propagandists are actually doing - saying ‘What about this?’ re Putin’s yachts to deflect from the fact Zelensky constantly begs America for more money and claims the Ukraine could win if we would just keep the cash flowing swiftly - while he skims foreign aid money and his country literally dies.


106 posted on 11/28/2023 12:28:13 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUSTPING)
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To: ransomnote; UMCRevMom@aol.com; MeganC; crz; bimboeruption
ransomnote: "The whole point of using proxy buyers is to be able to say there’s no proof that what they bought has anything to do with the buyer."

Again I reference you to the Prof. Gerdes video on this particular subject -- alleged purchases of two yachts worth supposedly $75 million.

Again I note that while Gerdes is properly skeptical of the original video report on which all others are based, Gerdes imho is not nearly skeptical enough.

My view is that not one word of all this is established as "fact".
Rather, all of it is based on 100% dubious accusations which should not be accepted in any way, shape or form until confirmed by reliable investigation.

ransomnote: "If you read up on Zelensky, he got where he is now in part by the support of an oligarch.
He’s got mansions to retreat to once the Ukraine collapses. MANSIONS.
Multiple mansions."

Sure, this is one of Zelenskyy's mansions, his main residence:

As for other alleged "mansions" here is all I can find on those:

And then there is this: And there are several other similar stories, all of them fact-checked as false.
Of course I understand, for people eager to believe Russian propaganda lies, "fact-checks" themselves are all fake and you can only reliably depend on information flowing directly out of the Kremlin's propaganda sewer pipes.

ransomnote: "Do you recall his choosing to be photographed with his wife and a stack of money?
Do you recall her being exposed for Paris shopping sprees while her country was struggling?"

No, but I'm certain that in the fervid imaginations of our pro-Russian propagandists it's all very real and important.

ransomnote: "I’m sorry but Ukrainian actors/producers don’t amass the kingly wealth that is common in Hollywood.
He wasn’t particularly good or popular - to propose he bought yachts off his ‘actor/producer’ earnings seems preposterous to me.
So there’s nothing but his puppet wages and skimming off of the ‘foreign aid’ from the US/NATO, originally intended for the war, to explain his net worth now."

Zelenskyy was obviously outstanding in his long-running acting role as Ukraine's president in the series "Servant of the People", because Ukrainians came to love him enough to elect him their real president.

In the USA we once had a president with an acting background.
He was very effective in helping bring down the Old Soviet Union, which Vlad the Invader is determined to restore.
Any American who remembers the Gipper still loves him.

So how much is Zelenskyy's net worth?
Forbes Magazine puts it at circa $30 million, most of which is in his 25% share of the production company which made the "Servant of the People" series.

And there's this: ransomnote: "The comparison to Putin’s yacht is pointless in that the public can believe he’s not skimming it off US foreign aid."

No, the comparison of Zelenskyy's $30 million honestly earned to Vladimir Putin's $70 billion, all stolen, is exactly the point, since the lies about Zelenskyy originate with the Russian Ministry of agit-propaganda.

There's no evidence that Zelenskyy skimmed anything from anyone, while Putin's guilt is manifest after 24 years of ruling over Russia, becoming perhaps the world's wealthiest man.

ransomnote: "Many heads of state (and legislators) of countries like the US, Britain, France etc. use their position in unethical ways to build wealth through means I don’t like - and Putin is no different.
But those of us in the United States aren’t sending him 113 Billion dollars to fight a proxy war, and being asked to send him another 100 Billion to go yacht shopping."

All of that is Russian propaganda, none of it is verified as true.

ransomnote: "As usual, the Ukrainian zealots are accusing Putin propagandists of doing what Zelensky propagandists are actually doing - saying ‘What about this?’ re Putin’s yachts to deflect from the fact Zelensky constantly begs America for more money and claims the Ukraine could win if we would just keep the cash flowing swiftly - while he skims foreign aid money and his country literally dies."

"Constantly begs for more money" is what US diplomats in Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid and many other countries did from the years 1776 until 1781 during the US Revolutionary War.
When you are fighting for independence against a world super-power (or even semi-super power), it's kind of the thing you have to do.

As for "skimming" that is still just Russian propaganda projecting their own behaviors onto their enemies.
Still not verified as true.

111 posted on 11/29/2023 5:05:21 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: ransomnote

Here is the kind of waste that US taxpayer money is going for in Ukraine. People need to send this to every stupid corrupt Congress critter who votes to break the American people. Let them know how disgusting they are for supporting people like this.

https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1729637573792764060

This little bish should be in the trenches with the not so fortunate people.


115 posted on 11/29/2023 7:10:23 AM PST by dforest
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To: ransomnote

The Zeeps are unable to understand that we aren’t sending taxpayer money to purchase yachts for Putin.


118 posted on 11/29/2023 7:20:43 AM PST by dforest
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