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To: BroJoeK

Your post is a bizarre concoction of propaganda.

This next part is your rapid departure from reality. But that is the nature of Ukrainian propaganda. Russians were losing 1 soldier to 7 Ukrainians killed and Denys Davydov’s group brags the opposite. The Ukrainians didn’t have enough bullets - Russians were firing many times the bullets fired per day by Ukrainians, and still, the Ukrainian propaganda says the opposite.
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“It has always been a case of three Russians or more to one Ukrainian.
What’s made it “a close call” is Russia’s willingness to sacrifice thousands of their own soldiers in suicidal “Meat Wave” assaults for the gain of just a few yards.
In such “Meat Wave” assaults, Russian losses are typically three or more to one Ukrainian.”
!!!!
It’s the Ukraine that was forcing their men forward into mind fields without sufficient air cover.

The US’gave enough money. The US gave far more to the Ukraine than to any other nation we’ve donated to in history, and this vast expenditure took place in less than 2 years, dwarfing the money we gave Afghanistan over 23 years.


63 posted on 11/19/2023 12:44:57 AM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUSTPING)
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To: BroJoeK

“From Day One I’ve said the major problem with our aid to Ukraine is that we’ve sent them just enough to keep fighting, but never enough to actually win.
The obvious reason is because that’s the way our Democrats love, love, love to fight wars — jump in quick with no plans for victory, fight, fight, fight, die, die, die, then run for the hills and surrender disgracefully, as in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

It’s the Democrats’ way of war, and does not bode well for Ukraine. On the other hand, Ukraine does not depend 100% on our Democrats.

Plus, Russians — regardless of how much you sugar coat them — have many of their own serious problems.

One major problem for Russia is that they will soon run out of non-Russians, Russian country-folk and criminals to send in suicidal “Meat Wave” assaults against Ukraine.
When big-city Russians are eventually forced to conscript their own children for war, then Vlad the Invader’s adventures in Empire Building will come to a screaming halt.”

I appreciate your ‘words of wisdom’ with these 4 major points you have made.


65 posted on 11/19/2023 12:52:57 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine )
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To: ransomnote
ransomnote: "Your post is a bizarre concoction of propaganda.
This next part is your rapid departure from reality.
But that is the nature of Ukrainian propaganda."

I'd say, your post is a bizarre concoction of propaganda.
This next part is your rapid departure from reality.
But that is the nature of Russian propaganda.

Clearly you suffer from the Russian propagandists' mode of thinking -- psychological projections of your own condition onto others.

ransomnote: "Russians were losing 1 soldier to 7 Ukrainians killed and Denys Davydov’s group brags the opposite."

Sure, doubtless that was true at some place and time in the past nearly two years.
It's the reason Ukrainians gave up such tactics months ago.

But just in the past two months we've seen similar tactics -- now called suicidal "Meat Wave" assaults by Russians themselves -- frequently from Russians around Avdiivka & Bakhmut, with Russian losses in the range of 1,000 per day and relatively few Ukrainian casualties.
The result has been Russian gains of a few square miles of Ukrainian territory.

ransomnote: "It’s the Ukraine that was forcing their men forward into mind fields without sufficient air cover."

Possibly, briefly, last spring, but Ukraine obviously cannot sustain such losses and so stopped doing it.
In recent months we've seen almost daily suicidal "Meat Wave" assaults by Russians around Avdiivka and also Bakhmut.

ransomnote: "The US’gave enough money.
The US gave far more to the Ukraine than to any other nation we’ve donated to in history, and this vast expenditure took place in less than 2 years, dwarfing the money we gave Afghanistan over 23 years."

Of course, that's total nonsense, more Russian propagandist psychological projections.
Your words are certainly true regarding Russia's war in Ukraine versus Russia's war in Afghanistan, but for American aid, it's not even close.

  1. Over 9 years in Afghanistan, Russia lost circa 70,000 killed or wounded, compared to over 300,000 in less than two years in Ukraine.

  2. The US global War on Terror cost roughly $400 billion per year for 20 years, with our military suffering around 60,000 total casualties, including about 7,000 US military deaths.

  3. US aid to Ukraine has so far cost the US around $110 billion over nearly two years, or roughly $55 billion per year.
    US military casualties in Ukraine are at or near zero.
So the comparison to Afghanistan is totally apt for Russia, not so much for the USA.

78 posted on 11/19/2023 1:59:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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