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To: Menes
Menes: "True, but it has always seemed to me that neither side‘s hearts were in this alliance - it has always looked, how do you say, a little uneasy…"

Obviously, it was more "uneasy" for some than for others.
Some reveled in it and the US government was shot through with "Uncle Joe" Stalin's spies, who kept him fully informed as to what we were doing, most notably on the Manhattan project.
Turns out, "Uncle Joe" knew more about Manhattan than VP Harry Truman did!

Not FDR's fault, you say?
Well, then consider this -- FDR's administration had no problems seeking out, hunting down and rooting out Nazi spies & supporters.
Even suspicion of collaboration was enough for FDR to put pro-Nazis in camps.

But FDR never found even one Soviet spy, never even looked for them, didn't seem to care.
And US aid to "Uncle Joe" was massive, much as the Soviets denied it ever since, it was critical in keeping the Soviet war-machine running.

So it wasn't just that we were on the same side, we were right there massively helping and also letting Soviets steal our best secrets.

And the result was, we achieved Unconditional Surrender of all the Axis powers, who are today some our our closest friends and allies, while "Uncle Joe" has been restored to honor throughout the Russian Federation and has been reincarnated in the form of Old Soviet KGB Col. Vlad the Invader.

Of course, I'm not comparing George Soros to Uncle Joe, but necessity can sometimes make for strange bed-fellows.

194 posted on 11/20/2023 12:55:25 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

Sorry for not being expressing myself too clearly - to me it seems that many Americans, i. e. ordinary, good, upstanding and responsible American citizens, were uncomfortable with Stalin as an ally.
At the same time, though, they were aware of the fact that there was no alternative at all to an alliance of the US with the USSR.

Thus, the ordinary Americans‘ „hearts“ were not in the alliance, i. e. they were ambivalent. That’s what I wanted to say 🙂

President Roosevelt, however, gave Stalin a lot of sympathy. I think that was his great mistake, especially as Stalin was obviously aware of this fact, and used it unscrupulously for his own ends 🙁

Yes, and iirc, Churchill tried to warn Roosevelt of Stalin and his evil ways, but tragically, the President would not heed Churchill’s advice 🙁

We can clearly say that FDR had a liking for Stalin, whereas most average Americans did not. Still, they knew that there was no alternative to having him as an ally. An elderly American WW 2 vet, now departed, told me about it several years ago: he fought loyally, of course, but there was a certain heaviness in his heart, whenever he thought about the many lives which Stalin had taken away - for example in the Great Hunger, or considering the fate of the Kazakhs in the 1930s.

The elderly gentleman had a kindly heart🙏🏻 He was a true blessing to all his family and friends.


204 posted on 11/21/2023 5:45:45 AM PST by Menes
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