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I would add that the Abraham Accords would likely have worked (and will when Trump returns), especially because Mohammed Bin Salman of Saudi Arabia is sane and civilized and wants to reform Islam, and has done a lot in Saudi. Without Trump’s back up it is not so easy.

http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2023/11/there-is-no-moderate-jihad.html

THERE IS NO MODERATE JIHAD
Daniel Greenfield November 13, 2023

ivilized nations have spent generations trying to convince themselves that the primary religious and national impulses of the Muslim world come down to more than conquest and mass murder.

The horrors of the past few years in Afghanistan and Israel both came down to the mistaken belief that you could negotiate and reach an agreement with Jihadist movements.

Both D.C. and Jerusalem had become enchanted with diplomatic initiatives to the Muslim world, from the Abraham Accords to two years of relative peace with Hamas, politicians, generals and diplomats were convinced that they had finally unlocked the secret of coexistence.

But there’s no perpetual motion machine, no diet that lets you eat what you want and no coexistence with an ideology that is built on conquering and destroying all outsiders.

Individually, contextually and circumstantially coexistence is possible. But not in the long run.

How long that long run is depends not on building relationships, but showing strength. Civilized people treat coexistence as a means of developing bonds but the other side uses periods of coexistence to test for weaknesses. Coexistence on their side is a wholly insincere facade, no matter how authentic it may appear, that gathers information to be used when the attack comes.

Israeli Kibbutz residents thought that they were building relationships with day laborers from Gaza. They chatted about life, their kids and their various hardships. Then those same laborers returned to kill, rape and abduct them. But that is how that was always going to end.

That is how it will end for us with the millions of immigrants that we have taken into our nations.

It is a fundamental error to view Hamas as an “extremist” group. It is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood whose political parties rule a number of Muslim countries. Its political organizations also dominate Muslim communities in America and Europe. Most of Al Qaeda’s leaders were also members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The myth of a split between political Islam and militant Islam, between moderate and extreme Islamic movements was always just that.

As Erdogan, the brutal Islamist tyrant who became the poster boy for moderate Islam said, “Islam cannot be either ‘moderate’ or ‘not moderate.’ Islam can only be one thing.” He has since, despite previous claims of turning more moderate and rebuilding relationships, renewed his support for Hamas, and threatened western nations with a Jihad against the “crusaders”.

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673 posted on 11/14/2023 12:34:18 PM PST by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming)
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To: little jeremiah

Saudi Arabia has already stated it will work within the Abram accords to rebuild Gaza. There were others as well, all of which vetoed the Arab league attempt to play the same old Gaza game.

Palestine is no more. The new will be different and absent all the existing corrupt entrenched leaders, both Hamas and the PA


677 posted on 11/14/2023 12:39:40 PM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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