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1 posted on 10/25/2023 10:16:51 AM PDT by ransomnote
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2 posted on 10/25/2023 10:20:49 AM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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In before exDemMom comes along with her poo-poo comments.
Glad to know (hope?) that infectious disease experts like eDM are big enough to admit they are wrong sometimes.
“Follow the science” is glad to be alive.


3 posted on 10/25/2023 10:27:37 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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Here is another article about Mark Skidmore’s paper

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/msu-economics-professor-mark-skidmore-exonerated-over-his-retracted-paper-claiming-that-covid-vaccines-killed-278000/

Just so you have both sides of the story.


4 posted on 10/25/2023 10:28:08 AM PDT by JSM_Liberty
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And even that number is only a fraction of te people who died as a result of the vaxx. I know 2 woman neither with cardiovascular issues who both died 6 months after being vaxxed of pulmonary embolisms. Neither of which were ever reported to VAERS or counted as a vaxx fatality. Way too many of these anecdotal stories for it to be a fluke.


5 posted on 10/25/2023 10:29:40 AM PDT by jimwatx
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https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-10-24/no-anti-vaxxers-this-flawed-and-retracted-study-of-vaccine-deaths-hasnt-been-reinstated

“But there was a problem. Skidmore based his estimate of vaccine-related deaths on the opinions of people who had no way of knowing that the illness or death their acquaintances suffered after vaccination had anything to do with the shot. “


6 posted on 10/25/2023 10:29:48 AM PDT by JSM_Liberty
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His study does not say 250,000 people died as a result of the COVID vaccine.

His study says 250,000 people died for no clear reason and it very well could have been the vaccine and needs to be studied.

It’s “smoke” that needs to be checked out, not “fire”.


8 posted on 10/25/2023 10:32:33 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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It revealed that over 250,000 people were killed by the COVID vaccine.

Just sayin...

15 posted on 10/25/2023 10:44:17 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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No doubt, the Branch Covidians will be upset (and spreading their agitprop to attempt to counter).


18 posted on 10/25/2023 10:51:57 AM PDT by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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This paper has not, in fact, been reinstated in the peer-reviewed medical literature. It has been picked up by a fake journal that exists to give antivax/antiscience articles a similar appearance to real articles published in bona fide medical/scientific publications.

The "exoneration" of the author was that he was investigated for ethical violations related to human subject research. He argued that he used anonymous surveys and did not personally see any of the survey respondents and was able to convince the university that he did not violate ethical standards of human subject research. The university did not validate his paper or the questionable findings therein.

As for the highly surprising claim that he found "Estimated fatalities are 289,789 (95% CI: 229,319 – 344,319)", this is based on utterly NO medical or death certificate data.

He asked people whether they knew someone who was injured or died from Covid or someone who was injured or died from the vaccine. The responses to these questions were not validated with any objective data. During the pandemic, people are likely to say that any death that they know of is caused by Covid or vaccine because that is what is on their minds. But this is not equivalent to independent objective analysis of cause of death. He took the number of deaths that survey respondents reported as vaccine related and extrapolated them to the entire population. This is not scientifically valid methodology. The only way to determine cause of death is through medical record review, laboratory testing, and autopsy if indicated or the family requests.

The numbers of Covid deaths that were verified through laboratory testing, medical records, and/or autopsy were 350,831 in 2020, 416,893 in 2021, and 244,986 in 2022. The big drop between 2021 and 2022 is because of the vaccine.

Skidmore's article remains in retracted status. The LA times article linked in the OP explains this.

Death statistics for 2020-2022:

Mortality in the United States, 2020.

Mortality in the United States, 2021.

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2022.

For all three years, Covid is the third leading cause of death. Vaccines, on the other hand, cause so few deaths that it is difficult to find even one validated report of a vaccine death. Yet antivax rhetoric creators would have us believe that vaccines are so deadly that we should be witnessing people dropping dead constantly now. As of May, 2023, a total of 676,728,782 doses of vaccine had been administered to 81.4% of the US population (just slightly over 4 out of 5 people). COVID Data Tracker. With more than 81.4% of us vaccinated (the number has not been updated since May), if the vaccines are as dangerous as antivax professionals claim, why haven't more of us dropped dead?

22 posted on 10/25/2023 11:09:15 AM PDT by exDemMom (Dr. exDemMom, infectious disease and vaccines research specialist.)
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Great. Now what about the football coach?


24 posted on 10/25/2023 11:53:43 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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At least 250,000 people murdered and they are still trying to murder more. Those that took the vaccines and boosters are hoping they got a good batch and not one of those test batches that will clog up their arteries or lead to other deadly results.


32 posted on 10/25/2023 12:52:34 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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bttt


102 posted on 10/27/2023 11:10:22 AM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Never be slave in a new Socialist America )
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