Posted on 10/22/2023 12:51:47 AM PDT by grundle
Such is their bigotry that activists are willing to parade in 'solidarity' with the enemies of the rights of women and sexual minorities
When did anti-Semitism become a Left-wing thing? Not very long ago there was a more-or-less universal understanding that attacking Jews, and trying to eliminate them en masse, was an attitude specifically associated with movements of the extreme Right. Nazi Germany’s systematic attempt to find a “final solution” to the Jewish problem (which is to say, the problem of Jews continuing to exist) became the most infamous state crime in modern history.
One of the political justifications for this – as opposed to the mystical one of racial purity – was that Jews were aligned with international Communist agitators who were a threat to the German nation that had to be defeated. At the same time as being accused of Left-wing subversion, they were also, of course, being caricatured as global capitalist conspirators whose banking monopoly threatened the economies of sovereign countries. The contradiction at the heart of this Jew-hatred persists to this day and serves a useful purpose to the opportunist camps of Left and Right who can summon up either of the tropes whenever they suit the circumstances.
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Why do they say Nazis were left wing? Their ideology is very left wing.
Hitler only tolerated Capitalism to the extent that it helped him to build his war machine. Once the war was won, he planned to eliminate the “business class”.
When you look at Hitler’s plans for the Nazi State once the war was won, and there was no longer a need for the “old ways”, it looked very left-wing.
Socialism and Communism have the same end result.
It’s merely a matter of how they get there and how long it takes.
Two rabid dogs fighting over the same bone.
In the last few weeks I have had several face-to-face showdowns with supposedly Christian people who are raging mad at Israel.
After those discussions, I’ve become an enemy too.
I tell them God doesn’t lie and whether they like it or not, Genesis 12:3 is an eternal promise.
Satan is prepping his global final solution.
Your friends may become your enemies overnight once they find out where you stand.
Left and Right seem to be used by the ptb’s however they wish. I think instead of those two terms, the more correct terms which would reflect their true goals are Freedom and Control. The Left is focused on Control (state control is the religion of the left), while the Right is more focused on Freedom/Liberty.
Communism, Fascism, Socialism, etc are really all just different sides of the same coin which demands State Control of every facet of life. Islam pretty much demands the same thing if you think about it. They call it by different names, but the results are the same: Everything is controlled by a few people who rake off the best of everything for themselves, and everybody else gets the scraps. This all being accomplished by the power of the State, always a coercive entity to one degree or another.
The Right is more focused on Freedom/Liberty which is the more successful of the two systems, and always has been. It provides more opportunities for more people to achieve greater things. Some of this is driven by greed, but the Control people are driven exclusively by greed. Vast difference.
People who have this fanatical need to attach labels to Hitler tie themselves into pretzels for no reason.
Hitler is not a Left/Right issue. But people on the left push the "Hitler is right-wing" myth and people on the Right feel like they must defend themselves by pushing the "Hitler is a socialist" myth.
Hitler transcends "Left/Right" labels. He is a demonic tyrant, first and last.
Let them. It weeds out the chaff.
It shows they are enemies of God as well.
It also helps to show me who I can trust.
I believe that Hitler and the NAZI Party were Socialists.
The best portrayal of this I’ve found is given from this historian on YouTube.
He cites primary and secondary sources for his material and does a fantastic job capturing the true history of that period - TIKhistory
TIK did a 38 minute video on this topic then when he was attacked be people losing their minds he put a 4 hour video in the same subject.
Here’s the 38 minute video and the 4 hour video after that
https://youtu.be/mLHG4IfYE1w?si=rJlv-s_lENLMCzwz
https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8?si=GZ5gqJOlT2gt3kUj
No, in a socialist system property is privately owned, and can be bought and sold, but regardless of who owns it, it must be managed for the purposes of the state.
In a communist system it is communally owned, cannot be bought or sold, and is managed by the state.
Ever wonder why the Soviets always referred to the Nazis as “Fascists”, even though it was Mussolini who was the Fascist?
Because by calling them “Nazis”, it would imply that they were indeed fellow Socialists.
Even Lenin had the NEP, which was an acknowledgment that market-based economies with some private property were better for the economy, especially in a pinch.
Hitler, by the same token, understood that if he wanted to build up his war machine quickly, needed to use the industrialists for his own ends.
But once they were no longer needed, the industrialists would go the same way as the Jews, as they were not a part of Hitler’s ideal New World Order.
That’s a “popular” definition of modern socialism but that’s not the way Marx defined it. In Marx’s socialism, property was “cooperatively owned.”
Hitler believed that Marx "disguised" Marxism as socialism (which Hitler believes was invented by the Germans). And that real German socialism, unlike Marxism, believes in private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of individuality and, unlike Marxism, it is purely nationalistic.
In other words, it all depends on how you define the word "socialism."
Did you watch the short video from the historian?
Hitler was allot of “things”, but it’s surprising how influenced we was by Socialism. His National Socialism was virulent Jew hatred combined with Socialist ideals.
At the end of the day all Marxist-Communist-Socialist governments end up an authoritarian dictatorships where the Party Elite operate more like a crime family to retain totalitarian rule. So it’s somewhat academic because they all end up the same way, only after 100 million have been murdered.
I'll try to get to it later. Short on time this morning.
Thx for the link though.
LOL! To say that Hitler was a mere opportunist is laughable. Hitler openly said he was a socialist and said so many times. He was recognized by others as being a socialist too.....until it became very inconvenient for the Left to admit that all the mass murderers from Hitler to Stalin to Pol Pot to Mao were their fellow Leftists.
This from well known Leftist source Time Magazine in 1938: Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism.
“The NSDAP is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism.” – Josef Goebbels
“To put it quite clearly, we have an economic program. Point number thirteen in that program demands the nationalization of all public companies—in other words socialization, or what is known here as socialism.” – Adolf Hitler
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler
It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical...... Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.
Nazism was the same old socialism just replacing class with race. "The socialism of the future would lie in "the community of the volk", not in internationalism, Hitler claimed, and his task was to "convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists", meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd ties with a democratic order. ... Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings." Adolf Hitler
As I said the first time. The primary differences between the Nazis and the Commies were that the Nazis defined their enemies by race rather than class, and the Nazis were content to let business owners continue to run their businesses (instead of killing and replacing them with a party bureaucrat) but they insisted that the business had to do what the government told them to do rather than what the owner wanted to do with his business. Only embarrassed Leftists try to deny that the Nazis were socialists.
Only to the extent that it helped to build the war machine. Once the war was won, they'd go the way of the Jews, since their services would no longer be required.
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