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To: Reverend Wright; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin; Jim Robinson; Monterrosa-24
Reverend Wright: "Those categories actually refer to people like you and Rev Mother.
Johnson is just typical DC Swamp.
Conservatives are endlessly fooled by the speeches given by these guys, while they ignore the agendas of their donors, sponsors and the interests they work for."

Johnson is fully supported by Donald Trump, so let's put those two in the same basket, shall we?

If you are posting on Free Republic to attack the best leaders we have now, Trump & Johnson, in favor of some insane fascist visions of Pinochet, Salazar or Franco, then you are on a fool's errand, with zero possible positive outcomes.

You may or may not grasp a key point about all fascists which is that, by definition, they are socialists, national socialists, which means they are of the Left Wing, not the Right Wing.
Sure, lunatic communists label their fellow socialists as "right wing", but that is sheer propaganda.
In truth, fascists are only slightly "right" of the most Left-Wing communists, but both are far off-the-scales leftists compared to American conservatives on our "right wing".

You mentioned Pinochet, Salazar and Franco as your ideal fascists, but they are in the same category as many others including Mussolini, Hitler and now Russia's Vlad the Invader.
None of these were good people, all were fundamentally insane and indistinguishable from Left-wing monstrosities like Stalin, Mao, the Kims, the Pots & on & on.
Whether self-professed communists or socialists, they were all tyrant monsters who broke whatever laws suited them and murdered whichever opponents they felt necessary.

Jim Robinson has always insisted that conservatives, like everyone else, have a "right of revolution", just as our Founding Fathers did in 1776.
And that is absolutely true, if you read the "parade of horribles" they listed in their Declaration of Independence, it's obvious they had no real choice except revolution.

But that is not where we are today, FRiend, far, far from it.
Today is far closer to the situation in 1860, when Southern Democrats, having lost a presidential election they themselves had rigged to lose, used their own losing political power as their excuse to declare secession and war against the United States.

There was nothing legitimate about that, nor were their actions at all thought out and the result was utter destruction of everything Confederates held dear.

That should be an effective warning to us from history.

Reverend Wright: "They inevitably turn into another Bush, another Boehner, another Ryan, another McCarthy, another Sessions, another Barr, another Durham.
Then conservatives feel betrayed and get all angry, but immediately latch on to the next guy with flattering rhetoric, and ignore their UniParty backers.
Rinse and repeat !"

What you need to understand here is that today's constitutional conservatives are descendants of antebellum Federalists, Whigs and Republicans, many of whom hated slavery and the political dominance slavery's 3/5 rule gave the South but were never able to effectively oppose them for some 70 years.

During all that time, people who loved their constitution and hated slavery could only "go along to get along" with Southern Democrats, until at last, in 1860, Democrats engineered their own defeats and then foolishly declared war on the United States, leading to the destruction of slavery and eventually everything associated with it.

That's kind of the pattern we have to follow, regardless of how sick and disgusted it can sometimes make us feel, because anything else leads only to the destruction of our Constitution and of the United States as a whole country.

As of today there is every reason to hope the 2024 elections will bring a sea-change for the better in national politics, meaning there is as yet no legitimate casus belli to exercise our God-given "right of revolution".

Much less is there ever any excuse to raise up historical fascist figures like Pinochet, Salazar, Franco or any other such monstrosities as ideals we should emulate.

494 posted on 10/29/2023 5:20:55 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK; UMCRevMom@aol.com; gleeaikin; Jim Robinson; Monterrosa-24

My basic assessment of authoritarians like Pinochet, Franco and Salazar is that, unlike “Constitutional Conservatives” they were able to protect their people and their countries from communists, anarchists and leftists.

Any credibility of “Constitutional Conservatism” collapsed with the 2020 Pandemic response, with the non-prosecution of Antifa/BLM rioters, validating a stolen election, the unequal treatment of the J6 people, and 100+ bogus criminal indictments against the leading opposition candidate.

If this was the record of a Third World country, it would be marked down as authoritarian with major deficiencies in the rule of law, and protection of individual rights.

I wish it wasn’t the case. Until ~2020 I thought that the US Constitution would be a good model to replace the deficient document that Canadians live under. (Although I was always slightly un-nerved by the underlying Enlightment and Deist hoo-haw, but I thought US Constitution had proved its functionality.)

Well no longer. In 2020, the US Constitution didn’t protect anyone from anything.

Not only that. My brother has been watching the criminal trials of some of the leadership of the Canadian truckers. What is clear is that their trials and the conduct of prosecutors is much more legally just than what we see for the J6 people.

The fact that the Trudeaupia Judiciary provides more fair treatment to political dissidents than the current US legal system is a massive indictmentof the entire Constitutional and legal system of the United States.

Conservatives will eventually be kicked off of all Corporate social media as the Regime consolidates its power. I appreciate the fact that we have Free Republic and I am happy to support it. At best I’m a former Constitutional Conservative but I’m glad I am still allowed on here.

I think that as time goes on, eventually everyone will see that what once was, is not coming back.

Even the most diehard Royalist Ultra eventually had to admit that the Bourbon Restoration was never going to happen.

For Constitutions to function, the basic premises have to be broadly shared by the people. And the principles of the Constitution have to be consistent with the “folk ways” and “folk beliefs” of the people.

That isn’t true for 2023 “diversity” America. And it hasn’t been true for a long time. There is no Constitution that can bridge the diametrically opposed views. Not in the USA. And not in any other Western country.


501 posted on 10/30/2023 1:01:17 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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