How would you suggest someone control a kid this size with no impulse control? Do our teachers all have to be Roadhouse bouncers, in addition to being able to teach Calculus or AP Lit? Do you know a lot of people who fit this description? Academic skills, young and fit, Delta Force training, patience of Job...?
hi lady. you’re taking the conversation the way i thought it logically and practically might go, so this morning, after a night’s sleep, i guess i’ll jump back in, because women just can’t allow themselves to be exposed to this kind of thing in any public setting, let alone the classroom, imho.
i had a brief flirtation with teaching back in the 70’s as i considered a career back then, so my experience in public schools was a year of subbing and tutoring in college. my wife was a full time teacher for 5 years in the 80’s. my brother was a coach during the same time frames. i’ll draw on that experience for what it’s worth to answer, you.
basically, with gaming stuff and the addiction to it some kids have today, your scenario boils down to an impossible one for a woman teacher in our collective opinion. in our day, it’d be like getting between a drug addict and his drugs. you’d better just dismiss the class, get out, and call in whatever authority is available to you to handle a male teen with his phone or whatever. perhaps, if you know the kid, my wife says she’d just ask him to go play with it over there, or ask him out to detention or the office, while she and the other students continued with class. she’d never try to confiscate or order a student like that around. if the whole class gets out of control (once she said) because of the disturbance, then there’s no other option but to get the class out and call in the ‘cavalry.’
in my sub year, i started out being able to physically control any male kid, given my athletic background and size and it rarely needed more than just my mere presence to keep the problem kid(s) quiet. probably, the principals liked me for just that reason. just once did i have to confine a kid who threatened me to his desk, physically. he didn’t get up after i placed him in his chair and he was no problem after that. i never experienced that sort of problem with a girl student. if the kid had been on drugs, though, i probably would have had to escort him out of the classroom to get control. if i couldn’t control him immediately, i’d have evacuated the other students while protecting them. as for fights, my wife would have stayed out of it and let the vice principal and crew handle it. for me, it was relatively easy for us to break them up by just pulling students off each other.
in my wife’s era, she couldn’t even touch a kid unless they were committing a crime, or physically attacking you or other kids. all the kids knew that so the mere threat of my size would be worthless to a kid like that. the kid would probably just laugh and say you can’t touch me.
so she would have to call in the enforcement ‘crew’ (usually a dedicated vice principal/coach back then) if the kid wouldn’t leave or stay quiet. the trouble and greatest fear in her ‘worst’ school was mostly with illegal alien kids and wannabe gang-bangers who could occasionally smuggle in weapons (she didn’t experience guns, my brother did though). in that case he was able to walk up to the kid confiscate the gun, which wasn’t loaded. lucky.
fortunately, the vice principal could control them verbally by threatening them and their parents with deportation (basically with a call to their parents or the authorities), back then. in other words some kind of peer pressure. the kid wouldn’t work of course, but would stop being a problem for her and the other students in the class. that’s the only ‘type’ of soft control available to women today imo. of course, in a weapons or fight situation she’d evacuate the kids and get away from the threat, if possible.
full disclosure, my wife and i believe in the necessity of home-schooling all our kids today, certainly in part because of regularity of incidents like this in our lax public schools today. the public school simply has to guarantee that no electronics or weaponry can be smuggled in, if they’re letting them bring in their phones, forget about working there.
A_perfect_lady: How would you suggest someone control a kid this size with no impulse control? Do our teachers all have to be Roadhouse bouncers, in addition to being able to teach Calculus or AP Lit? Do you know a lot of people who fit this description? Academic skills, young and fit, Delta Force training, patience of Job...?
To be fair, I highly doubt that these kids are being taught "Calculus or AP Lit."
dadfly seems to be all about blaming the victim.
The teacher - no matter how frail - deserves to be able to teach (incl. asserting authority) without being violently attacked and severely injured.
dadfly, in contrast, believes that she doesn't deserve to teach unless she has ninja powers and "Spidey senses."
Regards,
This student (Brendan) is intellectually disabled. (Remember, in the old days, we used the word “retarded.”)
He’s not the typical student who gets into trouble. He’s a special ed student.
Yes, many students today are over-diagnosed. But not this student.
It’s obvious in his arrest video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELL-gjL6t0
Notice how he says, “I don’t want to go to jail. I have more important places to be.”
His adoptive mother gives his whole history here: https://flaglerlive.com/brendan-depa-my-son-story/#gsc.tab=0
The victim accepted a job as a “paraprofessional,” which means she agreed to work with these disabled kids.
Sometimes these special ed students hurt people. That’s the risk you take in that job.
OTHER SPECIAL ED STUDENTS ATTACKED AIDES IN THIS SAME SCHOOL SYSTEM. But, those students were hardly even punished.
You can read all about those cases here: https://flaglerlive.com/depa-disparities/#gsc.tab=0
Both those students were 18 when they attacked aides. Brendan was 17.
Both those students are white. Brendan is black, and he’s on video attacking a white aide.
Both those students attacked people in their classroom. Brendan attacked someone in the hallway, so it’s on video.
Neither of those two students was sentenced to prison. Brendan is facing 30 years.
If anyone here thinks he should be facing prison time, then they should be screaming about those other special ed students, too.
I say none of these students (including Brendan) should be sent to prison. They should be sent to an institution.
No, I don’t know this student, but I have experience with people with these kinds of disabilities.