You brought up wake. I’m acknowledging that it’s important.
One of the things we always have to keep in mind in music, because it is an additive art form, is there’s multiple steps to adding something to the form. Let’s look at tapping, that method of playing the guitar that swept the world when Eddie Van Halen started doing. But Eddie didn’t invent it. Tapping a stringed instrument goes back to Paganini. In a rock and roll context it goes back to Canned Heat. But nobody questions that it was Eddie that turned it into a big freaking deal.
Pop the word comes from popular. But pop the music genre is a subsection of rock and roll. Basically the modern concept of pop started when clean safe white guys started doing clean safe covers (usually uncredited and unpaid for) of “colored music”, aka rock and roll. Pop is what happens when you make rock safe for 14 year old girls. And therefore has to be a part of rock.
Rock and roll, popular music, and celebrity worship are basically all the same story.
Tipper Gore absolutely should be in the HOF. It really should have a subwing for “the enemy”, that would include various record burners and payola guys. But they all changed the face of rock and roll. I want Tipper right next to the Satanic Panic clowns that (accidentally) helped heavy metal get from the underground to dominance in the mid 80s.
Where is Paul Anka? Much as I hate him he had a massive string of hits. The Monkees should absolutely be in, heck they birthed MTV.
I don’t want to tell the story of every rock singer, I want to tell the story of rock and roll. And you cannot tell the story of 1980s rock and roll, how it got reinvented for the video age, the second wave of high production stage shows, and the rise of the pop diva without Madonna.
Oh, No. Doodlebob brought up wake. It just seemed like your assertion for Madonna’s inclusion was her enormous “wake.”
>> The question was wake, not breaking ground. And the wake is still going on today. Period. <<
>> Wake is wake. Good wake, bad wake, it’s still a wake. <<
>> Much as I dislike Madonna her wake is HUGE. She basically invented the pop diva, that most women in pop still follow today.... It’s part of why I don’t like her, she killed women in rock and roll. ... But that’s still a massive wake.<<
If neither of us are concerned about innovation or wake, why can’t we just agree that Madonna is wretched, horrible, and the preferable exhibit for her at the Rock’n’Roll Hall of Fame would be to have her impaled corpse at the entrance to serve as a warning for others? (Dear FBI: This is a metaphorical reference to Vladimir the Impaler’s methods of driving back the Muslim Horde, and not an actual appeal to violence.)