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To: Lockbox
"One of the two passengers was in the back of the Porsche, even though it is a two-seater which is not supposed to hold rear-seat passengers. Bright and the other front seat passenger were both in seat belts."

Most 911s have rear jump seats, with seat belts. The feature of rear seats in some Porsche sports models is a marketing ploy that goes back to the 1950s - wives couldn't object to dad's purchase of a sports car because they couldn't bring their small kids along.

I am 6'3" and was actually able to cram myself into the rear seats of a 911 when I was (a lot) younger. The rear jump seats are far more suitable for briefcases, small animals and small children, though.

I love Porsches, but I don't think that a 2014 Porsche 911 would be the best first car to choose for a 16 year old. A pre-dinged 9 year old Volvo would be my own recommendation. (The lower the horsepower, and the slower the car, the better.)

42 posted on 09/10/2023 10:29:31 AM PDT by Sooth2222 (“Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.” /"Every nation has the government it deserves.” )
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To: Sooth2222

A woman teenage girl should never be driving a Porsche, never.

I have driven my 911 at MidOhio.

911 Longhood


75 posted on 09/10/2023 11:00:33 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( See"War by🙏🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: Sooth2222; Lockbox
From The North Carolina DMV:

North Carolina uses a graduated license system to license teen drivers via a limited learner's permit, limited provisional license, and full provisional license. Here are the basics of how this system works and the various requirements teen drivers must abide by. Level 1 Limited Learner's Permit

At 15 years old, a person can submit an application (along with the application fee and proof of identification) to the local Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to obtain a level 1 limited learner's permit. The application must be signed by a parent or guardian who will be supervising the youth's driving. The applicant must pass the vision test as well as a test covering local traffic signs and traffic laws. A certificate of completion of an approved driver's education course and a driving eligibility certificate are also required.

The driving eligibility certificate is a form signed by the school's principal or administrator indicating that the teen is enrolled and progressing towards graduation. The school can revoke this certificate due to the student's conduct, which would result in revocation of the student's license or permit for one year, until age 18, or until the certificate is reinstated. Exemptions exist for homeschooled teens and diploma and GED holders.

An instructional permit allows the holder to operate a vehicle while a supervising driver is in the front passenger seat. A supervising driver must be licensed for at least five years and can be a parent, guardian, or a person authorized by the parent or guardian to supervise. For the first six months, the permit holder isn't allowed to drive between the hours of 9 p.m. and 5 a.m.

Level 2 Limited Provisional License

Teens who are 16 years old and have held an instructional permit for at least 12 months are eligible to apply for a provisional license. To obtain the provisional license, the teen must complete and pass the road test administered by the DMV and have no moving violation within the last six months. Applicants must also show completion of 60 hours of supervised driving time (ten of which must have been at night) and hold a driving eligibility certificate.

The limited provisional license allows the motorist to drive without an adult anywhere from 5 a.m. to 9 p.m. However, between 9 p.m. and 5 a.m., the driver must be supervised by a parent or be traveling to or from work or a volunteer emergency response organization.

Limited provisional license holders may carry only one non-family member passenger who's under the age of 21 unless accompanied by a supervising driver. If a family-member passenger is under 21 years old, no non-family member passengers under 21 years old are permitted in the vehicle.

Level 3 Full Provisional License

After holding a provisional license for at least six months without any moving violations, a driver can apply for a level 3 full provisional license. To obtain the license, the teen must submit a driving log signed by the supervising driver showing 12 hours of supervised driving (with at least six nighttime hours).

For all teen license levels, cellphone use while driving is prohibited and all passengers must wear seatbelts.

Rules for thee but not for me?

82 posted on 09/10/2023 11:12:39 AM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Sooth2222

I’m impressed if you were able to get into the backseat of a 911. I bought a 1972 911T in 1978. As I recall at that time, 911s couldn’t legally be advertised as a 4-seater in the U.S. because the back seat wouldn’t fit the average American adult. The leather front seats showed some wear, but the back seat looked new because nobody could sit back there.


93 posted on 09/10/2023 11:51:02 AM PDT by Roadrunner383
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To: Sooth2222

When I was 22 I had a mid-engine Porsche 914 with no back seat at all. I once had five in the car when I made a trip to the beverage store, and I had the top on.

I never wrecked it or had an accident.

My daughter had their home exterior damaged by a 16 year old with a new BMW in similar circumstances. The kid was relatively unhurt but did not have enough insurance for the power pole damage and home damage he caused and the parents just turned their back on the liability for their purchase/gift.


103 posted on 09/10/2023 12:31:10 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Sooth2222
I love Porsches, but I don't think that a 2014 Porsche 911 would be the best first car to choose for a 16 year old. A pre-dinged 9 year old Volvo would be my own recommendation.

I know a guy who has three children and their first cars were all Volvo station wagons. They either drove what Dad bought them or walked.

129 posted on 09/10/2023 11:27:11 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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