Posted on 09/03/2023 10:10:00 AM PDT by daniel1212
There are very few who know the bible better then Satan.. And you can bet your last dollar that Satan is NOT a atheist.!
And yet you lived.
See what I did here?
I’ll be singing DAISY in a few more minutes.
It was THIS thread!
Weeping may endure for a night,
but joy cometh in the morning.
I said it poorly. I was referring to original sin. The fall. Adam’s sin. It is that sin that brought suffering into the world.
People do not get cancer because of their personal sin.
Sorry for the confusion. I should have been clearer. I am not a proponent of a prosperity gospel. I hope this helps.
I am; but with a side note that the 'prosperity' may not show up in this lifetime on earth.
We’re on the same wavelength, you and I.
I like your way of connecting things.
Yes, there is much more.
I don’t know if you were following the point of my post.
It was simply that it’s impossible to change the topic from being about God to being about love, since God is love and every time we speak of God we’re necessarily speaking about love. That’s all.
Believing in God is matter of faith. If we had video evidence of God we wouldn’t need faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
But the end result of trusting in the Creator is you live eternally in greater bliss than you ever experienced or imagined in this world, and any suffering is gone from your memory.
I’m not trying to argue in a personal way here, just making a logical point and hoping you will see the objective truth.
So, there must be some purpose to the injustices we see day and day out. My own belief is that we are to use this very brief time on earth to learn to love our God, and our neighbor. And I trust God to determine my fate once I am in His arms. I believe He will be fair and just, and I pray that He will be merciful.
Which once again sadly evidences your chosen intractable poverty of perception.
"suffering sinners and paying the price in God’s eyes?" No, as what you seemed to push away is seeking to understand what this Biblically means, and is kind of like liberals who rail against arresting law-breakers, esp due to border control, since is separates children from parents.
Meaning that when you do anything- even wasting time - affects others to varying degrees, which in turn affect others (butterfly effect). As far as crime, then even apart from LE and judicial action, and even if not caught, there are natural consequential effects. Of course, we also benefit by the right actions of others.
But besides nature, if you break the law and held accountable, then there are also penal consequential effects. The law requires a penalty (without which most would more act lawlessly) and which also causes others to suffer consequentially.
As far as innocent babies, yes, as being in the pool into which the rock of sin was thrown, creating waves, they are also effected along with others not directly connected with the thrower. I
Your objection here will likely be that the Judge should not penalize law-breakers in a way that affect others (no waves), and thus allow the wrong choices of ancestors to cause others to suffer. But that require humanity to be as islands to themselves, and thus neither penalties nor rewards should affect others.
But to be sure, the God of the Bible clearly does not hold the children responsible for the wrong actions of ancestors, (Deuteronomy 24:16; 2Ki 14:5,6; 2Ch 25:4; Jer 31:29,30; Eze 18:20) though we realize effects of their actions - right or wrong - to varying degrees, which in turn affect others.
Very simple, Free Will.
I don't presume to know God's intents; but, with my meager human powers of reason, I see the unfairness and tragedy of human existence as a test of my faith in God.
‘God” is neither allowing or disallowing. WE the people are Allowing and Disallowing. God is allowing us to make the choice.
“As far as innocent babies, yes, as being in the pool into which the rock of sin was thrown, creating waves, they are also effected along with others not directly connected with the thrower. I”
Oh please.
I think it's because shortly after he was confirmed in his faith, he was sorely tested. My wife loved him. Her faith was more pure than mine.
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