[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

Hey Ransom!

Some thoughts on this. A grass fire burning underneath a car has enough heat to ignite the combustible components of the car. ( The Gas tank and rubber tires.) So the fire is not just the grass. The car had enough gasoline, oil, rubber, and plastic that along with the grass caused the damage including melting of the glass.

Picture of a Subaru that on a non combustable surface burning merrily along the side of the road in Tigard OR.

Caption on photo: "Its what makes a Subaru a Subaru!"

People can go to the link and see pictures of burning cars which are probably mostly engine problems.

Unsplash burning car festival

Would have posted some of these but you need to pay for them.

[ransomnote]

Hello gentle FReeQs. :D

I have to leave for a bit so please pardon my manners as I repurpose a post I sent someone else. Leftovers...I know...but I got errands to run. *the cat just gave me the stink eye*

Just a quick note -using internet byte that says car fires burn at 1500. Not hot enough for glass to melt as it did. Here's that post from another thread. Please entertain the cat while I'm gone. :D

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), ransomnote wrote:

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), chuck allen wrote:

You don’t need much fuel. Follow the bouncing ball..

Electric line ignites grass fire, winds spread grass fire, 700 degree grass fire ignites car that burns at 1500 degrees, glass breaks and aluminum melts. Front street in Lahaina with hundreds of cars and buildings on fire simultaneously was probably burning hot enough to melt damn near anything within a hundred yards.

I’ve seen cars in flames with nary a grass or forest fire in sight. Let alone a DEW.

My Attorney Father-in Law taught me a lesson long ago, “Shit happens.”

It doesn't have to be a D.E.W. but this fire, and the pictures at the bottom of my post of the 2018 Paradise fire are not explained by standard 'car fire'.

Glass melted. The front windshield melted in the center of the car and in the video they film down a door sill where the window used to be, and you can (barely) see the sheen of melted glass sticking to one side of the door.

By your theory the upholstery heated the steel roof not enough and long enough to melt/burn the aluminum roof rack so it crumbles to the touch? The engine compartment is hooded and enclosed by steel likely doesn't get enough oxygen to fuel a fire that hot and that long to leave just debris behind (comment made by a dude in the video). But if it did, what reduced the tires to ashes? An engine fire burned the rear wheels? Burning upholstery in the cabin burned the tires? The interior or engine of the car is on fire, how does the tire bolted to the back of the outside of the car turn to dust, along with both rear wheels?

The fire was much hotter than 1500 degrees and burned consistently hot enough to melt all but the steel of the car. Not enough fuel, oxygen or heat.

[ransomnote]

Hello gentle FReeQs. :D

I have to leave for a bit so please pardon my manners as I repurpose a post I sent someone else. Leftovers...I know...but I got errands to run. *the cat just gave me the stink eye*

Just a quick note -using internet byte that says car fires burn at 1500. Not hot enough for glass to melt as it did. Here's that post from another thread. Please entertain the cat while I'm gone. :D

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), ransomnote wrote:

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled MORE EVIDENCE - 2 Miles from Lahaina Fire A Melted Car Surrounded by Gravel! D.E.W. or What? (IMAGES from video and video links), chuck allen wrote:

You don’t need much fuel. Follow the bouncing ball..

Electric line ignites grass fire, winds spread grass fire, 700 degree grass fire ignites car that burns at 1500 degrees, glass breaks and aluminum melts. Front street in Lahaina with hundreds of cars and buildings on fire simultaneously was probably burning hot enough to melt damn near anything within a hundred yards.

I’ve seen cars in flames with nary a grass or forest fire in sight. Let alone a DEW.

My Attorney Father-in Law taught me a lesson long ago, “Shit happens.”

It doesn't have to be a D.E.W. but this fire, and the pictures at the bottom of my post of the 2018 Paradise fire are not explained by standard 'car fire'.

Glass melted. The front windshield melted in the center of the car and in the video they film down a door sill where the window used to be, and you can (barely) see the sheen of melted glass sticking to one side of the door.

By your theory the upholstery heated the steel roof not enough and long enough to melt/burn the aluminum roof rack so it crumbles to the touch? The engine compartment is hooded and enclosed by steel likely doesn't get enough oxygen to fuel a fire that hot and that long to leave just debris behind (comment made by a dude in the video). But if it did, what reduced the tires to ashes? An engine fire burned the rear wheels? Burning upholstery in the cabin burned the tires? The interior or engine of the car is on fire, how does the tire bolted to the back of the outside of the car turn to dust, along with both rear wheels?

The fire was much hotter than 1500 degrees and burned consistently hot enough to melt all but the steel of the car. Not enough fuel, oxygen or heat.