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Submarine Cables and the Rise of Mass Surveillance
Youtube ^ | Aug 16, 2023 | Johnny Harris

Posted on 08/28/2023 10:10:44 AM PDT by Robert DeLong

Interesting video detailing how all of the underground cables in the oceans allows for listening in on all communications passing through these myriad of submarined cables worldwide.

If nothing else, it's interesting just how many of these cables there are.

But, the bad part is there is no privacy anymore. The good thing is that it's makes keeping track of bad guys easier.


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To: Savage Beast

I think that those of us who explored the seedier side of usenet early on realized that Marshall McLuhan’s “global village” would really be a “global urban area” with all the corruption and disfunction that the difference implies.

The internet enables a global reach for the crank who would otherwise be limited to spewing in a neighborhood bar. It also enables all sorts of fraud, theft, deceit, assault, etc.


41 posted on 08/28/2023 11:18:44 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: algore
I understand that if only one cable was cut there would be rerouting, but if all were cut many countries would be without for a long time.

There are a few chokepoints in Europe and Asia where only a couple of fiber optic undersea cables would need to be cut to isolate a region, but for the U.S. you'd literally have to cut hundreds of cables scattered all across the Eastern and Western seaboards.

Before they all could be cut, we would notice the links going down and send in the Navy to investigate.

I suppose in your grand scheme some rogue country could spend months setting undersea charges and set them all to go off simultaneously, but there is still the undersea hydrophone network that would detect such activity and rouse even the Navy's suspicion.

42 posted on 08/28/2023 11:20:52 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo

“Blind Man’s Bluff” was a spectacular book!


43 posted on 08/28/2023 11:23:19 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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To: Yo-Yo
"Cutting one or a dozen cables simply causes traffic to get re-routed around the break. You'd have to cut them all. At that point, I'd think that someone in the government would notice link after undersea link going down and might become curious enough to investigate"

If 1/4 of the undersea cables were cut then Internet traffic would slow to a crawl. Trying to fix the cut cables in a hostile wartime environment wouldn't be that much fun either. Regarding taking out the satellites, I'm sure that there are laser systems to do the job. Satellites are too strategic and valuable to be left alone and unmolested.

44 posted on 08/28/2023 11:25:10 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: wildcard_redneck
If 1/4 of the undersea cables were cut then Internet traffic would slow to a crawl. Trying to fix the cut cables in a hostile wartime environment wouldn't be that much fun either. Regarding taking out the satellites, I'm sure that there are laser systems to do the job. Satellites are too strategic and valuable to be left alone and unmolested.

In a wartime environment, the government would seize all of the remaining operative cable landing points and route mission critical data only. No more porn (except for the NSA...)

Satellites are also a security issue, but with SpaceX's StarLink LEO constellation, it's getting harder to cut that form of communications as well.

Here is an interactive version of the undersea cable map so you can explore: https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

45 posted on 08/28/2023 11:31:56 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yo-Yo

Since about 2010, there is some capacity via China Telecom, China Unicom and Rostelecom, but I think it is still small compared with the Atlantic and Pacific cables.

Terrestrial routes south of the Himalayas involve too many countries to transit. Putting the cable offshore is a good technical solution to an intractable political problem.


46 posted on 08/28/2023 11:32:07 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: wildcard_redneck
A troupe of syphilitic apes

Great name for a band.

Perfect description of the Biden Regime.

47 posted on 08/28/2023 11:33:10 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: FarCenter
Here's an interactive version of the undersea cable map. Zoom in and enjoy.

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

48 posted on 08/28/2023 11:35:33 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Especially considering you could see and swim to Oahu from the Island...


49 posted on 08/28/2023 11:38:12 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Robert DeLong

> It then takes the effort to try and decrypt it.

Yep.


50 posted on 08/28/2023 11:40:53 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Lurker

I never got around to going to Texas and paying for a fiber cable infrastructure and splicing cert. Hats off to those who can do it.


51 posted on 08/28/2023 11:41:06 AM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: FarCenter
Since about 2010, there is some capacity via China Telecom, China Unicom and Rostelecom, but I think it is still small compared with the Atlantic and Pacific cables.

Not sure how accurate it is, but here is a map of terrestrial communications cables from the ITU:

(Interactive version here:https://bbmaps.itu.int/bbmaps/)


52 posted on 08/28/2023 11:51:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: dinodino

In the US the tapping is done in the central offices.

The days of “tapping” cables and wires has been over for a long, long time.

Back in the day there was an ATT Long Wires station in my city. Every call from East of the MS to Europe went through this facility. And just about every one of them was “tappable” and redirectable from that facility.

The wires still come through town, but the entirety of that huge building’s function is done in a cabinet about the size of your refrigerator. The building housed about 500 employees at one time. Now, it is run from another facility.

Telecom stuff has changed so much in the last twenty years, the layman has no idea how their call gets from their hand to mom. Especially if they are in Europe and mom is in Toledo.


53 posted on 08/28/2023 12:11:16 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Noumenon

I’m not certified at it. We sell the equipment to do if, though. So I had to become familiar with the operation of the gear.

It ain’t easy.

L


54 posted on 08/28/2023 12:23:28 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Yo-Yo

100%


55 posted on 08/28/2023 12:52:12 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: dinodino
"Tapping a fiber optic bundle isn’t quite so simple.

And the vast majority of those cables are fiberoptic.

56 posted on 08/28/2023 1:20:47 PM PDT by threefinger
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To: Robert DeLong

It made me laugh, thinking of a bored sailor, nearly falling asleep...head jerking forward, lolling back and forth, grimly trying to stay awake...

Looking at flat, featureless sand. Flat. Sand. So hard to stay awake. Starting to dream while awake...sand...the desert...what is he seeing...ahhhh...GAHHHHH! A SKULL!!!!! DEATH!!!!


57 posted on 08/28/2023 2:20:49 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: Robert DeLong
The good thing is that it's makes keeping track of bad guys easier.

Except for the fact that THEY are the bad guys and they have declared that WE are the bad guys.

58 posted on 08/28/2023 2:52:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on flight MH370)
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To: Robert DeLong

There’s no need to tap communications when you can just bribe an illegitimate president’s crackhead son and have that illegitimate president give you everything you want.


59 posted on 08/28/2023 3:16:57 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: wildcard_redneck; mikey_hates_everything
A troupe of syphilitic apes could’ve gotten off that island faster.

Maybe the PROFESSOR didn't want to get off the island. He had Ginger and Maryanne pretty much to himself.

60 posted on 08/28/2023 5:11:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on flight MH370)
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