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To: ProgressingAmerica; Renfrew; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp; central_va; woodpusher; x
ProgressingAmerica quoting Benjamin Franklin: "I have since had the satisfaction to learn that a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America..."

Thanks for your new quotes, I've added them to my collection of Founders' anti-slavery quotes.
Your Jay quote I had already, plus other quotes from Washington, Adams & Patrick Henry.

Indeed, the key point to remember here is that neither I nor anybody else has ever found a Founder's quote to the effect that slavery was a good thing and should be both preserved and expanded.
At best (or worst) our Founders believed slavery was a necessary evil which should be abolished wherever and whenever possible.

ProgressingAmerica: "Our country did not fail on race, not during the founding.
That was forced on us prior to independence and gained new life thanks to Eli Whitney."

Well... the question you raise here is whether slavery was a flaw in our Constitution or a feature of it?
The answer is, slavery was not just a flaw, rather, it was an essential feature, arguably the most essential feature, because, had the Founders not agreed to it, then there would be no United States.
Slave-states would have refused to ratify in 1788 and the Constitution would have failed ratification by 3/4 of states.
How long the old Articles of Confederation would have lasted after that is anybody's guess.

Gradual abolition was also one of our Founders' original intentions and it was well under way in 1787.
Our Founders had reasons to believe that abolition would be eventually accomplished, state by state, working from North to South.

That original plan was not fully abandoned until the Founding generation was gone and abolition failed in Virginia, circa 1835.
Only then did pro-slavery politicians begin to argue full-throated that slavery was a positive good thing that should be preserved and expanded as much as possible.

73 posted on 08/11/2023 5:03:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK; Renfrew; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp; central_va; woodpusher; x
"Indeed, the key point to remember here is that neither I nor anybody else has ever found a Founder's quote to the effect that slavery was a good thing and should be both preserved and expanded."

Thank you. This is a good reminder for a point I have made or implied several times here to some of the negativity promoters. And your observation is correct. Not one Founder was on the side of slavery saying "This is the future! Slavery foevah!!!" - that I am aware of.

Forgive me if I do not reply to all of your responses below this one. There is a lot going on here.

I hope this book text (or audio) can help you further keep the Founding Fathers' record accurate even among fellow conservatives, among people who (will listen) you wish to highlight the Founders good name, but also at sparse times when progressives rear their ugly heads.

83 posted on 08/12/2023 8:22:15 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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