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In this particular case, my point remains valid, that Lincoln was generalizing on the specific case of people living in the disputed land between the Nueces and Rio Grande rivers.

The recorded words of Lincoln are too clear to admit of any misunderstanding.

Repeating your Pravda truth, i.e. lying, does not chjange your repeated blatant lie into the truth.

Lincoln's speech expressly referred to all or any people. As I quoted Lincoln in the post in your response is a blatant lie:

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable—a most sacred right—a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much of their territory as they inhabit.

You must be really desperate to lie that the above statement of Lincoln only referred to the disputed land between the Nueces and Rio Grande rivers. It expressly refers to "any people anywhere," and Lincoln's remarks were universal in application, "to liberate the world." But that is what communists do. It's Pravda truth.

woodpusher: "The recorded words of Lincoln are too clear to admit of any misunderstanding."

You're right, Whig Congressman Lincoln was lambasting Democrat Pres. Polk for starting the Mexican war on the flimsiest pretexts similar, as jeffersondem so often refers to, Democrat Pres. Johnson's notorious 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incidents.
Young Lincoln said people have a right to chose their government, but questions if there were actually Americans in the disputed territory.
Lincoln said nothing about globalist slaveocrats unhappy with tariff rates or Fugitive Slave laws.

woodpusher: "Repeating your Pravda truth, i.e. lying, does not chjange your repeated blatant lie into the truth.
Lincoln's speech expressly referred to all or any people.
As I quoted Lincoln in the post in your response is a blatant lie:"

The fact is that Lincoln was talking about the Mexican War and you don't know if he intended his words to apply to disgruntled Southern slaveocrats.

I don't think he did, for reasons I've explained, and that's no lie, regardless of how often you claim otherwise.