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Why Kaiser Wilhelm Was Never Tried for Starting World War I
History ^ | 3/23/23 | Erin Blakemore

Posted on 07/21/2023 10:40:19 AM PDT by DallasBiff

Under the Treaty of Versailles, the German emperor was supposed to be tried as a war criminal. Why wasn't he?

The accusations were explosive: a head of state had not only begun an illegal war but egged his troops on to a series of horrific atrocities that left thousands dead and an entire continent in ruins. By then, the accused was one of history’s most hated and debated figures, a monarch known for making erratic decisions and doubling down on his sometimes inexplicable actions.

There was just one problem: The accused, Wilhelm II of Germany, couldn’t testify. The accused had been dead for 75 years

It could have been the trial of the century—if it had been conducted a century before. The trial of Wilhelm II, Germany’s emperor between 1888 and 1918, was a moot one, conducted by historians and legal experts grappling with one of the great mysteries of 20th-century history. Was Wilhelm II guilty of war crimes?

It’s a question that was never answered during Wilhelm’s lifetime. Though the Allies accused him of starting one of history’s bloodiest wars and violating international law, and his troops of committing barbaric acts, he never stood trial. Today, these accusations are remembered as the first stirrings of a modern conception of war crimes. But at the end of World War I, Wilhelm’s responsibility for the bloodshed was a hotly contested—and ultimately unresolved—issue.

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KEYWORDS: europe; kaiserwilhelm; ww1
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World War I, was the first modern war and was devastating.
1 posted on 07/21/2023 10:40:19 AM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

Same reason we didn’t try Hirohito after WWII.


2 posted on 07/21/2023 10:41:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DallasBiff

An interesting “What If”, had we allowed the German Monarchy to continue. Would there have been Hitler?


3 posted on 07/21/2023 10:44:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Wilhelm lost his position, and that brought about the disasterous Weimar Republic.


4 posted on 07/21/2023 10:47:02 AM PDT by DallasBiff (Apology not accepted.la is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: DallasBiff

Simple. The British caused WWI. Austria-Hungary’s cause was absolutely just. France officially recognized that. But the British wanted to destroy German because it was afraid of Germany becoming a superpower with an alliance with Austria-Hungary (both were descendants of the Holy Roman Empire.)


5 posted on 07/21/2023 10:48:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Disagree on Austria-Hungary. Serbia gave Austria-Hungary everything they demanded, but it wasn’t enough for them, they wanted war.


6 posted on 07/21/2023 10:49:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DallasBiff

>> There was just one problem: The accused, Wilhelm II of Germany, couldn’t testify. The accused had been dead for 75 years <<

Wait, what? Wilhelm II died in 1941.


7 posted on 07/21/2023 10:50:20 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Also the Germans knew that Russia was quickly modernizing, and if they ever wanted to fight Russia, it was “now or never”.


8 posted on 07/21/2023 10:50:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

What did Serbia give Austria-Hungary?


9 posted on 07/21/2023 10:50:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: DallasBiff

The Kaiser died in exile with German troops stretched out across vast swathes of the former Austro Hungarian and Russian Empires along with the occupation of most of France.

Hitler had a wreath sent to the funeral.


10 posted on 07/21/2023 10:51:05 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: DallasBiff

He was first cousin to King George V of England. Grandson of Queen Victoria. No one was going to execute him.


11 posted on 07/21/2023 10:51:34 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo)
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To: DallasBiff
"War crimes" are nonsense.

War itself is a crime under ordinary law, but, as the USSC ruled about the statehood of West Virginia, Inter armes silent leges (Between armies the laws are silent).

12 posted on 07/21/2023 10:53:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: dangus

Austria’s Ultimatum to Serbia

The Austro-Hungarian government waited three weeks following the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand - heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne - before issuing its formal response.
Seizing the opportunity presented by Ferdinand’s assassination, the Austro-Hungarian government decided to settle a long-standing score with near-neighbor Serbia.
Austria-Hungary’s response on 7 July, - its ultimatum - comprised a lengthy list of demands intended to be followed by the Serbian government.

It took as its basis an assumption that the Serbian government was implicated in events at Sarajevo. The ultimatum was presented by the Austrian government on Thursday 23 July 1914.

A response was demanded within two days, by 25 July. The text of the ultimatum follows, as does the Serbian response, which virtually conceded all demands made by the Austro-Hungarians except one or two minor clauses. Nonetheless, war was declared by Austria-Hungary shortly afterwards.

Austria-Hungary’s Ultimatum to Serbia
The Royal Serbian Government shall undertake:
(1) To suppress any publication which incites to hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy;

(2) To dissolve immediately the group named “Narodna Odbrana,” to confiscate all its means of propaganda, and to proceed in the same manner against other societies and their branches in Serbia which engage in propaganda against the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy.

(3) To eliminate without delay from public instruction in Serbia propaganda against Austria-Hungary;

(4) To remove from the military service all officers guilty of propaganda against the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy;

(5) To accept the collaboration in Serbia of representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government for the suppression of the subversive movement directed against the territorial integrity of the Monarchy;

(6) To take judicial proceedings against accessories to the plot of the 28th of June who are on Serbian territory; delegates of the Austro-Hungarian Government will take part in the investigation relating thereto;

(7) To proceed without delay to the arrest of Major Voija Tankositch and of the individual named Milan Ciganovitch, a Serbian State employee, who have been compromised by the results of the magisterial inquiry at Serajevo;

(8) To prevent by effective measures the cooperation of the Serbian authorities in the illicit traffic in arms and explosives across the frontier;

(9) To furnish the Imperial and Royal Government with explanations regarding the unjustifiable utterances of high Serbian officials, both in Serbia and abroad, who, notwithstanding their official position, have not hesitated since the crime of the 28th of June to express themselves in interviews in terms of hostility to the Austro-Hungarian Government; and, finally,

(10) To notify the Imperial and Royal Government without delay of the execution of the measures comprised under the preceding heads.

The Austro-Hungarian Government expect the reply of the Royal Government at the latest by 5 o’clock on Saturday evening the 25th of July.

The Serbian Reply
(Preamble) ...[Serbia] cannot be held responsible for manifestations of a private character, such as articles in the press and the peaceable work of societies ... [The Serbian government] have been pained and surprised at the statements, according to which members of the Kingdom of Serbia are supposed to have participated in the preparations of the crime...

[However, Serbia is] prepared to hand over for trial any Serbian subject . .of whose complicity in the crime of Sarajevo proofs are forthcoming [as well as officially condemn all propaganda against A-H].

[Serbia will] introduce ... a provision into the press law providing for the most severe punishment of incitement to hatred and contempt of the [A-H] Monarchy...

[The Serbian govt.] possesses no proof ... that the Narodna Odbrana and other similar societies have committed up to the present any criminal act of this nature ... Nevertheless, [Serbia] will ... dissolve the Narodna Obrana and every other society which...

[Serbia will] eliminate without delay from public instruction ... everything that serves or might serve to foment the propaganda against [A-H], whenever [Austria] furnish them with facts and proofs...

[Serbia] also agree to remove from the military service all such persons as the judicial inquiry may have proved to be guilty of acts directed against the integrity of the territory of [A-H], and they expect [Austria] to communicate ... the names and acts of these officers for the purpose of the proceedings which are to be taken against them.

[The Serbian govt. does] not clearly grasp the meaning or the scope of the demand ... that Serbia shall undertake to accept the collaboration of the representatives of [A-H], but they declare that they will admit such collaboration as agrees with the principle of international law, with criminal procedure, and with good neighborly relations.

...As regards the participation in this inquiry [which Serbia intends to hold] of Austro-Hungarian agents... [Serbia] cannot accept such an arrangement, as it would be a violation of the Constitution...

[States it has not yet been possible to arrest one of the persons named; request proofs of guilt from Austria]
[agrees to reinforce measures against illegal trafficking of arms and explosives across the frontier with Bosnia-Herzegovina]
[offers explanations of anti-Austrian comments by Serb officials if Austria sends examples of their actually having been made]

[Serbia will duly notify the measures taken, but if Austria is not satisfied with the reply] the Serbian government . . are ready . . to accept a pacific understanding, either by referring this question to the decision of the International Tribunal of the Hague [i.e., the World Court], or to the Great Powers


13 posted on 07/21/2023 10:54:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DallasBiff

Everybody’s missing the big question: why did the Germans have those pointy things on the tops of their helmets?


14 posted on 07/21/2023 10:56:56 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: DallasBiff
Countries or tribes in the world, particularly Europe, have been in wars since the beginning of time. The winners put the loser's heads on pikes.

It is unfortunate but undeniably it is the nature of humanity.

15 posted on 07/21/2023 10:58:01 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: dangus

Just one problem with your conspiracy

Brits did not enter war until after Germans had invaded Belgium, in defiance of 1839 treaty which declared it to be neutral


16 posted on 07/21/2023 10:58:38 AM PDT by njslim
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To: glorgau

The Kaiser really didn’t want war with Russia, but he was under pressure from the war-mongers, especially when Russia was mobilizing in response to Austria-Hungary declaring war on Russia’s ally, Serbia.

He even wrote a letter to the Czar, begging the Czar to call off the mobilization, or else he would have no choice but to go to war with Russia.


17 posted on 07/21/2023 10:58:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: njslim

If the Germans invaded France instead of going through Belgium, per the Von Schlieffen plan, then most likely the Brits would have stayed out of it. They had no obligation to defend France.


18 posted on 07/21/2023 11:00:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dangus

I think it was a very nebulous thing not clear-cut like Pearl Harbor or the invasion of Polland for example. It was more like a continuation of the centuries old balance of power struggles indulged in by all of Europe. As such it pretty much was a mutually agreed upon conflict. France and England no angels.


19 posted on 07/21/2023 11:00:22 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: DallasBiff

But he was alive when the ToV was signed. Not dead for 75 years. Article is confusing.


20 posted on 07/21/2023 11:00:37 AM PDT by nwrep
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