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wardaddy: "Why do you automatically associate that pro slavery people hated their slaves X?"

I think this question is key to understanding DiogenesLamp's arguments and accusations about alleged Northern racists.

In the minds of our pro-Confederates, whether 170 years ago or today, to own a slave is to love that slave, just as we love our children (or something expensive) and will do anything to protect them.

But a freed-slave is no longer owned and therefore no longer loved, so must be hated, especially by people who hate slavery, and so Northern freedmen were not just tolerated or accepted by Northern whites, but necessarily must be rejected, all by definition of "slavery = love".

It's almost as if, in the minds of pro-Confederates, in 1860 the ~150,000 freed blacks living peacefully, prosperously & lawfully in New York, Pennsylvania and Ohio were all "hated" because, "dontcha know", nobody "loved" them enough to make them slaves!

It's a somewhat equivalent feeling to disdain people used to express for an "old maid" that "nobody wanted" -- a similar "hatred" for Northern freed African Americans is being claimed.

Another analogy: often in 1860 and even sometimes today, people draw a distinction between the "love" of a slaveholder for his slaves compared to the "hatred" of a Northern factory owner for his "free-labor" industrial workers.
If a Northern worker gets paid more, it's still "hatred" because he gets laid off whenever he's not needed.
If a Northern worker is free to quit and find a better job, it's still "hatred" because nobody takes care of him when there's no work to be found.

So, slavery = "love" and freedom = "hatred" in the minds of our pro-Confederates.

That, I think, is where DiogenesLamp's criticisms are coming from.

Well I grew up in late stages of segregation and when actual not imagined racism existed in the thick of it

Only hatred towards blacks came from the most ardent ignorant klansmen of which I only saw them on tv not knowing any and that hatred was directed mostly at the leadership radical or not elements

We were raised to view them sort of paternalistic noblise oblige

Of course with a large contracting family we hired 100s and I was raised somewhat by them with house help hunting and cooking etc

The N word was frowned upon of course everyone including blacks said negro

White working class feared their usurpation of work which is ironic now with open borders and of course what was called miscegenation then

Professional class whites feared their potential political power especially in black majority areas

That’s all I have to go on I wasn’t around in slavery days

Believe what you need to be comfortable here bro

I like one of Shelby Footes relies when being interviewed by a black kid about his relationship with Faulkner and Faulkners then conciliatory views on race

Faulkner said he feared the good aspects of the black race would be eclipsed by the negatives fully exploited …this comment was post FDR starting to snatch them from the GOPe former lock