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To: ganeemead

I have a question with regards to cluster munitions.
Don’t they have to be dropped via aircraft?
How’s this going to work?


4 posted on 07/10/2023 8:37:10 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

I don’t know about aircraft dropping them, all the articles I’ve read indicate they are 155mm artillery shells.


6 posted on 07/10/2023 8:42:03 AM PDT by srmanuel ( M)
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To: EEGator

Please stop asking difficult questions. You will make pro-zelensky neocons uncomfortable.


26 posted on 07/10/2023 9:09:44 AM PDT by entropy12 (Career politician DeSantis is there to build wealth. Trump is there to lose wealth to serve people.)
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To: EEGator

Russia has expressed concerns that the Zelensky regime may commit mass civilian casualties and blame Russia ( this is a real possibility ), so perhaps Zelensky doesn’t need much of a delivery system


27 posted on 07/10/2023 9:11:43 AM PDT by KTM rider (Be Alert Stay Calm Think Clearly Act Decisively )
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To: EEGator
"I have a question with regards to cluster munitions.
Don’t they have to be dropped via aircraft?
How’s this going to work?"

Cluster munitions can be deliver via Artillery Shells.

"The United States said it would send Ukraine 155-millimeter artillery shells loaded with explosive grenades called dual-purpose improved conventional munitions, or D.P.I.C.M.s. The shells are designed to break open midair and dispense the grenades over an area to attack both armored vehicles as well as dismounted troops."

Source: NYtimes
38 posted on 07/10/2023 9:24:56 AM PDT by DEPcom (DC is not my Capitol after Jan 6th lock downs.)
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To: EEGator

“I have a question with regards to cluster munitions.
Don’t they have to be dropped via aircraft?
How’s this going to work?”

So....
I think the plan is to use the ATCAMS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS
with Cluster munitions, for entrenched positions.

Me thinks this is an alternative to giving the Ukrainians F-16 and F/A-18 aircraft in large enough numbers to destabilize the Russians. Honestly, if they took all of the aircraft that were in storage, put decent pilots in them, they would control the skies not only over Ukraine but likely Russia. Since most of the Russian military is actually in Ukraine, the Russians could potentially collapse entirely. In this scenario, this ‘could’ potentially degenerate into a thermonuclear exchange.

Giving the Ukrainian rockets to retake Ukraine is a much more controllable outcome then giving them an entire air force and expecting them to stop at the border.....


42 posted on 07/10/2023 9:35:37 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: EEGator

I have two question.

Since cluster bombs are dropped from planes etc... and they’re only going to be used in Ukraine..

. and since civilized countries don’t use them because the unexploded ones can maim and kill people years later...

and since we’re told Ukraine is a democracy...

Why don’t the Ukrainians have a referendum so citizens can weigh in on the use of these horrible cluster bombs. And will Americans be the people who have to ‘find and defuse’ them after this war?

And Second question:

What do we do when Putin uses internationally outlawed horrible weapons too?


48 posted on 07/10/2023 10:12:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (Stop 'gun violence' by stopping and incarcerating criminals.)
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