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Asians in early America
Aeon ^ | 13 June 2023 | Diego Javier Luis

Posted on 06/27/2023 8:05:46 AM PDT by Theoria

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NW Coast is full of opportunities for drift and landings. There have been many sites found of chinese porcelain and other artifacts up and down the coast. Even suspected ancient Roman artifacts and other ancient possibilities out there.

Some castaways and travelers who lived some crazy lives:

Otokichi

Tanaka Shōsuke

Metallurgy in pre-Columbian America


1 posted on 06/27/2023 8:05:46 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: SunkenCiv

travel, ping.


2 posted on 06/27/2023 8:06:05 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

We know very little of pre Columbian exploration of the Americas. We have myths and legends and in some cases archaeological evidence but understanding of such finds and what they mean are limited.


3 posted on 06/27/2023 8:14:30 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: Theoria

Bookmark


4 posted on 06/27/2023 8:18:42 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: Theoria

Kind of silly talking about a few “Asian” sailors on Spanish vessels, when the whole two continents were settled by Asians who crossed over from Siberia thousands of years earlier.


5 posted on 06/27/2023 8:22:53 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Theoria

Thanks for posting these great articles. I’ve lived in California for 50 years (now splitting time in North Idaho) and never knew about the Portuguese “recruiting” Philippino sailors to sail across the Pacific to North America.

The use of “drift iron” by the Tlingit and Chinookan peoples is fascinating. Imagine you are in a primitive tribe without any exposure to people and technology from other parts of the world and parts of ships float onto your beach with iron straps, bolts, nails and other iron parts. What would you make of this miraculous new material arriving from the sea?


6 posted on 06/27/2023 8:26:21 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (I don’t like to think before I say something...I want to be just as surprised as everyone else.)
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To: Theoria

“I winced rather predictably as I read ‘discovery’.”

I get so tired of this. Europeans are said to discover things because they were in the habit of making a record of it and then sharing that record with the rest of the world. Discovery means nothing if you don’t spread the knowledge.


7 posted on 06/27/2023 8:29:27 AM PDT by beef (The pendulum will not swing back. It will snap back. Hard.)
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To: marktwain; SunkenCiv

Ah, but the Chinese restaurants and laundries were still way off in the future.


8 posted on 06/27/2023 8:32:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: Theoria

Settled in colonies from Mexico to Peru

So noodles didn’t catch on or did they bring the taco to the land?.


9 posted on 06/27/2023 8:34:20 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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The silliness the that they appeared on the continent and went into a dark age, like the first settlers of Australia. Those groups never formed groups or developed societies capable of sailing supremacy, while other cultures did, and sailed. The dark ages of Australia and the first peoples of the Americas are unknown. Just as Africa didn't conquer and develop Madagascar, a few miles form their shores, but Malaysian sailors, traveling thousands of miles away did. History is unique in every way.
10 posted on 06/27/2023 8:34:44 AM PDT by Theoria
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At one time, most scientists thought the whole two continents were settled by Asians who crossed over from Siberia thousands of years earlier.

Now, they are less sure. I studied under a legendary professor named Ed Milligan (He Topa was his Sioux name after the tribe adopted him) who thought they were only a part of the migration. People thought he was an unorthodox crazy in those days. Now, they are actually strating to pay attention to some of what he wrote and collected.

11 posted on 06/27/2023 8:35:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: beef

Ok comrade.


12 posted on 06/27/2023 8:46:42 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Theoria

According to the book 1421, Zheng He was the first to come to the Americas.


13 posted on 06/27/2023 8:47:29 AM PDT by rfreedom4u ("You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas")
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Which means the Chinese claim North and South America. Zheng He sailed to a place, that makes it Chinese


14 posted on 06/27/2023 9:08:48 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Starve the beast and steal its food!)
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To: Theoria

A Chinese stone anchor was discovered in Los Angeles harbor a few years back. It was in the newspapers


15 posted on 06/27/2023 9:13:15 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Don't shoot until you see the whites of their lies)
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To: Theoria; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...
Thanks Theoria!

16 posted on 06/27/2023 9:29:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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Thanks, Theoria. Very interesting post.

Curiously, the author seems to have ignored the fact that indigenous North Americans started coming here from Asia at least 16,000 years ago.

They crossed the temporary glacial era land bridge from Russia to Alaska, and walked, or sailed, down the Pacific coast line to Oregon and the southern California islands.

Almost all their camp sites and villages have been washed away by several miles of ocean, which grew and grew as warmer weather melted the glaciers.

17 posted on 06/27/2023 9:40:32 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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Well, the NM Zuni tribe is kind of a standout. Their DNA is unrelated to any of the other tribes in the region, but is closely matched to ancient Japanese. Likewise, their art is similar, again, to ancient Japanese.

Importantly, this had to have happened before the arrival of the Navajo, 800 to 1000 years ago, as they would have made an impenetrable barrier.


18 posted on 06/27/2023 9:40:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: Theoria

I suspect it goes a lot earlier than this.

Most folks just don’t understand how brutal the Han conquest of China was.

We see it still in play in western China where the adult males are rounded up and imprisoned in concentration camps (often to await donor match for their organs, then vivisection to fill the order), while the women are assigned proper Han husbands to produce Han children.

The culture and language suppressed with the goal of obliteration.

This is how the Han have done it since they began their expansion.

Seems to me there would have been several fleets of people trying to escape. And with tides and storms, some of those fleets may well have ended up on the western coasts of the Americas.


19 posted on 06/27/2023 10:03:47 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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20 posted on 06/27/2023 10:15:37 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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