Posted on 06/19/2023 2:49:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
The Trojan War is so vividly described in Homer’s Iliad that it is considered by many to be historical fact and not simply the subject of an epic poem.
Troy, an ancient, wealthy city in Asia Minor was ruled by King Priam whose son Paris was invited to judge which of the goddesses—Aphrodite, Hera, or Athena—was entitled to be called the most beautiful.
Aphrodite promised Paris to grant him the most beautiful woman in the world, who was Helen, wife of Menelaus, the king of Sparta. Paris stole Helen, and they eloped to Troy.
To recover Helen, the Greeks launched a great expedition under the overall command of Menelaus’s brother, Agamemnon, the king of Mycenae.
The Greek Army under the command of the charismatic Achilles besieged Troy for ten years and finally sacked the city with the cunning use of the Trojan Horse.
Grecian Delight supports Greece The account of the Trojan War in the Iliad is an epic poem written five centuries after the supposed war; in the ensuing centuries, it has generated lengthy discourse among historians and scholars.
The question has been whether the Trojan War was real or a myth loosely based on some historical facts.
Myth and reality of Troy In ancient Greek history, myth is often interwoven with reality, insofar as the gods interfere in the world of mortals in everyday life.
It is hard to view the Trojan War in historical terms. Some of the heroes of the war described in the Iliad are demi-gods, not mere mortals with godlike qualities.
Helen, the most beautiful woman, for instance, is the daughter of Zeus who disguised himself as a swan and raped her mother, Leda. Achilles and Paris are directly guided by the gods throughout the epic poem.
The gods also supported the two sides: Hera, Athena and Poseidon were for the Greeks, while Aphrodite, Apollo and Ares sided with the Trojans.
Then, there is the ten-year siege of Troy. At the time, at around 1200-1100 BC, even the strongest cities could only hold out for a few months, let alone a decade.
Recent excavations have shown that ancient Troy truly was a significant Bronze Age city dating back to the 12th century BC.
The charred debris and scattered skeletons are evidence that the city was destroyed during wartime. Most likely, Homer used the destroyed city as the setting for his epic poem.
Barry Strauss, a professor of History and Classics at Cornell University, and author of The Trojan War: A New History questions the original Troy myth.
Specifically, Strauss questioned whether the ruined city was the splendid city described by Homer, whether it was the setting for the Trojan War, and if the Greeks actually besieged the city.
New excavations since 1988 have proved that Troy did exist and was indeed a large city, about 75 acres in size, surrounded by fields of wheat. Furthermore, they provided evidence that in 1200 BC the city was in its heyday.
There is more evidence of the above coming from Hittite texts. In these documents, the city that Homer calls Troy, or Ilion, is referred to as Taruisa or Wilusa, and in the early form of the Greek language, “Ilion” was rendered as “Wilion.”
Trojan War iliad Achilles tending Patroclus’ wound, as described in the Iliad. Attic kylix from circa 500 BC. Public Domain Were the Trojans Greeks? Earlier scholars thought that the Trojans were Greeks, like the men who laid siege to their city. The names of Patroclus, Hector, Helen and others in the Iliad is suggestive of this.
However, new evidence suggests that the urban plan of Troy looks less like that of a Greek city and more like an Anatolian city.
Troy’s combination of citadel and lower town, its house and wall architecture, and its religious and burial practices are all typically Anatolian. So is much of its discovered pottery.
Also, new documents suggest that most Trojans spoke a language closely related to Hittite and that Troy was a Hittite ally. And the Hittites were enemies of the Greeks.
The Greeks wanted to expand their territory, and as a people surrounded by water, they built some of history’s first warships.
They explored the land across the Aegean looking for new territories, either as merchants or as potential conquerors.
Around 1400 BC, they conquered Crete, the home of the Minoan civilization. They also conquered the southwestern Aegean islands and the city of Miletus on the coast of Anatolia.
In the 13th century, they stirred up a rebellion against the Hittites of western Anatolia. In the 12th century, they took over the islands of the northeastern Aegean across from Troy.
In the 11th century, they joined with the “Sea Peoples,” who descended first on Cyprus and then on the Levant and Egypt, finally settling in the Philistine country, today’s coastal Israel.
According to Strauss, the Trojan War probably took place sometime between 1230 and 1180 BC, more likely between 1210 and 1180.
At that latter date, the city of Troy was destroyed by a raging fire. The findings of arrowheads, spearheads, and sling stones—along with unburied human bones—suggest that the city was sacked with great violence.
Moreover, the towns around Troy seem to have been abandoned around 1200 BC, consistent with an invasion, as recent archaeological findings indicate.
Further indications about the importance of Troy are the exploration of the site by later ancient figures, such as Alexander the Great and the Roman Emperor Augustus.
The citadel was also enlarged later for the erection of Greek and Roman temples, a process that tragically destroyed layers of Bronze Age remains. The destruction was continued in later centuries by tourists and looters.
Strauss also argues against historians who claim that since great ancient Greek palaces like Mycenae and Pylos were destroyed around 1180 BC, how could the Greeks attack Troy between 1210 and 1180?
The professor counterargues that history is full of sudden reversals. Furthermore, the Trojan War was followed by wars and chaos in the Greek homeland.
Was the Trojan War real? University of Queensland researcher Trevor Bryce in his book The Trojans and their Neighbours (Routledge, 2006) tries to address the question about whether or not there really was a Troy and a Trojan War.
The only written documentation found at the site where Troy is believed to be, date back to before the 8th century BC. It is a seal written in a language called Luwian, the seal being perhaps brought to Troy from elsewhere in today’s Turkey. The topography of the city as told in the legend matches that of a real-life city, and people at Homer’s time also believed this to be Troy.
Certain archaeologists argue that the city was destroyed by earthquakes at the time of the Trojan War and later may have received people from southeastern Europe rather than Greece.
“At one end of the spectrum of opinion is the conviction that there was indeed a war and that it was pretty much as the poet described it,” Bryce wrote.
“From that we pass through varying degrees of [skepticism] and agnosticism to the other end of the spectrum where the tradition is consigned wholly to the realm of fantasy,” Bryce added.
The ancient Greeks needed Trojan War to be real For author, classist, and critic Daisy Dunn, Homer’s Iliad was a vivid account of a real war because Greeks of the time needed it to be so. In the grim world they lived in, they needed to escape into a world of heroes and great deeds.
Dunn wrote on BBC.com (Culture):
The Greeks found in the legacy of the Trojan War an explanation for the bloody and inferior world in which they lived. Achilles and Odysseus had inhabited an age of heroes.
Their age had now died, leaving behind it all the bloodthirstiness, but none of the heroism or martial excellence of the Trojan War. Even the immediate aftermath of the war was full of violence.
Whether the Trojan War really happened or not is a moot point thirty-three centuries later. What is important is that the legend of the brave Greeks who besieged Troy and conquered it by using the Trojan Horse inspired generation upon generation, as does Homer’s Iliad, which remains one of the greatest works of world literature and a masterpiece of our intangible cultural heritage.
I guess when you get right down to it Homer was what we would describe as a media person today and was spinning a good tale in support of his side.
Ticking off a bucket list item. Will be in Troy in a little over a week during a trip o Istanbul.
Don’t forget to bring back some Urfa biber if you like to cook.
Everybody knows the gods were right there fighting away...
The Trojan horse later won the Derby...
Within my lifetime, Troy was considered by many experts to be a myth, until it was found. I think it is safest to assume that these things are historical at the core, with the same amount of embellishments used in modern war movies to tell a good story, and to compel support for the right side ( which in those days meant a generous helping of gods). Homer was too good to make it one sides propaganda, though.
Sounds great, let us know hw it goes and pics.
On the 1800s Heinrich Schliemann tested his possible discovery of Troy by running around it anc comparing it to Homer.
It’s all Greek to me.
Perhaps, but I don’t even think we need to blame Homer for spinning....he likely inherited a story that was somewhat spun already.
Greeks returning from an Anatolian war would have retold what happened from their perspective. Their Greek listeners, who likely had never been to Anatolia, then imagined the city based on what they knew in Greece.
Schliemann got close in 1873 and also found gold, but it was later determined to be too old to be Priam’s treasure.
Some people still argue that some of Shakespeare’s works were written by someone else, so it’s not surprising that Homer would be in dispute.
What is important is that the legend of the brave Greeks who besieged Troy and conquered it by using the Trojan Horse inspired generation upon generation, as does Homer’s Iliad, which remains one of the greatest works of world literature and a masterpiece of our intangible cultural heritage.
Are we still allowed to have heroes?
Istanbul? Not Constantinople?
#3 Istanbul (Not Constantinople)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8
Only Tranny anti-Christian "heroes" allowed by the current administraion. /S
Today the horse would show up in an Amazon package
I always thought Shakespeare was a face for a writing company like Betty Crocker was for food.
As I remember heinrich Schliemann used the Illiad to find the city he discovered...so he says.
Others dug into the mound before him I read too
The Iliad is a masterpiece in a lot of ways. My first reading in high school (back when we read that sort of thing in high school) led me to believe that it was a case of the winners writing the history; later readings convinced me that that was only partially true, for in the Iliad the Greeks aren't the good guys, at least not by the standards of later Greek morality. They are presented as violent, vengeful, squabbling, barbaric, and generally with a sense of honor mitigated strongly by vanity. Consider the real beef of Achilles with his king - it was over the possession of a slave girl. He pouted, Patroclus borrowed his armor and went to his death at the hands of the Trojan hero Hector, who was by our own lights today and that of the Greeks of the fifth century B.C., a far more civilized individual than Achilles: a family man whose relations with wife and son are among the most tender passages in the Iliad, whose death at Achilles' hands causes the latter to change into something better. The scene of the Trojan king Priam humbling himself before Achilles to beg for the recovery of his beloved son's body is central to the development of the character. It would have been very much in character for the prior Achilles to haughtily refuse; instead, he relents, agrees, and becomes a finished man. The fall of Troy (no, the silly Trojan Horse is NOT in the Iliad) is presented in tragic language, not in triumph, as Hector's bride throws their son from the walls and goes off to her own enslavement.
This is brilliant, subtle, complex stuff, far from a chest-thumping campfire recitation it may resemble and is often accused of being. The victors (or putative victors) of the literature may have written it, but not with themselves as irreproachable heroes.
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