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To: Lakeside Granny
Fascinating situation in Russia. A couple of good sites to keep up with the latest Ukraine and Russia situation from a Russian perspective are.

Reminiscence of the Future...

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/06/putin-verbatim.html#disqus_thread

Moon of Alabama

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/06/on-prigozhins-insurrection-farce/comments/page/2/#comments

One take here I think might be true

OK here is my theory, piecing together the likely facts:

1.There is a largish fifth column in Russia, including within the military. This 5th column was supposed to take over in 2022, when Russia was supposed to collapse. It did not fall and the fifth column was not activated

2. Wagner or some of them were always part of the deal- or at least in the negotiation phase

3. The existence of this 5th column is well known to Putin and co, which is one reason for the caution re Ukraine

4. Shoigu and Gerasimov have long known or suspected Wagner of being untrustworthy, which is one reason for using them in the hard task of Bakhmut

5. Several months ago Shoigu and the MOD had hard evidence of probable treachery, given at least one senior guy had defected. They also wisely feared Priggy as a populist danger in any upcoming election for President. Now recall when priggy started talking about being president. Many on here giggled and assumed he was trolling the Ukrainians, planning to take on Zely, but i ALWAYS assumed he was talking about the Russian presidency. Thought in fact it was pretty damn obvious.

6. MOD did start to restrict munitions deliveries to Priggy, because he was no longer trusted

7. Priggy started his over the top attacks on the MOD, confirming his untrustworthy status.

8. Information about Priggy talks with Ukraine came to light and Priggy started far more damaging attacks on the MOD

9. Putin's comments about parquet generals was essentially saying we have uncovered a nest of traitors, but for PR and morale we will just call them incompetent (which perhaps is also the case)

10. Priggy, encouraged by his new NATO paymasters, thought that the Russian defence would fail. Then Priggy would come a riding in as the saviour and deliver a coup in Russia. The one planned for 2022 that did not happen

11. The Ukrainian offensive failed and basically this coup is the last throw of the dice. Use it or lose it.

12. Having crossed the Rubicon so to speak Priggy has now gone full Ukraine

Posted by: watcher | Jun 24 2023 14:16 utc | 174

5,931 posted on 06/24/2023 7:41:15 AM PDT by norsky ( <P> <a href= > </a> <P><img src=" "width=500"></img>)
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To: norsky

This makes a lot of sense—thanks.


5,933 posted on 06/24/2023 7:51:21 AM PDT by exit82 (Either the Democrat Party will survive or America will survive. But not both.)
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To: norsky

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For the record this is what a REAL insurrection looks like


5,934 posted on 06/24/2023 7:55:45 AM PDT by Lakeside Granny (Vote RED~R.emove E.very D.emocrat~D&S)
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To: norsky; Lakeside Granny; lysie

Good morning..very good post norsky!. Passing it along to friends. They need this perspective.

Wyatt

1) Barack Obama has used a stolen Social Security number most of his adult life. The one he uses was issued on March 28, 1977 to someone living in Connecticut, born in 1890, now long deceased. Obama was fifteen years old that day, living in Hawaii and playing on the junior

2) varsity basketball team at Punahou. I uncovered the SSN information and include it in my memoir, The Rubbish Hauler's Wife versus Barack Obama. Obama violated federal law by using a phony number. From the United States Code: "Identity theft laws under 18 U.S.C §1028 makes it

3) a crime to misuse someone's identifying information, whether personal or financial. Personal identifying information can include social security numbers, driver's license number, credit card or bank account information, and PIN numbers obtained through the internet."

4) Obama is a felon — plain and simple. He should have a Hawaiian Social Security number like his half-sister, Maya, starting with the numbers 575 or 576. He claimed he worked at Baskin-Robbins when he was fifteen. It would have required a Social Security number.

5) Instead, Obama has a number starting with 042, used for the exclusive use of CT residents, and which appeared on his 2009 tax return while he was president. Someone forgot to remove the number.

6) From 1936 until June 2011, Social Security numbers were assigned by the address on the SS-5 form used to apply for one. Under Obama, the law was changed to randomize where the applicant was living when he applied. Imagine that.


5,946 posted on 06/24/2023 8:34:51 AM PDT by STARLIT (two moments in life-those you miss-those you seize)
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To: norsky

Thanks


5,953 posted on 06/24/2023 8:56:01 AM PDT by Rusty0604 (Desperately looking for new conspiracy theories as all the old ones have come true)
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