Posted on 05/24/2023 11:54:22 AM PDT by Robwin
They do. The EV’s are very heavy and the tires are the wear point. 24K is not very many miles for tires. Just replace my F350 tires at 46K and they still had another 10K left on them.
Up here in northern Alberta it just doesn’t make sense. The technology isn’t there yet. Although I’ll say I’m all for it. The more EVs, the better it is for the oil and gas sector for a myriad of reasons.
Yes, but it's just the excuse they need to commit mass genocide against those pesky humans.
Yup—Musk is a great poker player in the crooked poker game.
We have never seen him play in a fair game.
I guess Vehicle of the Future owners in south Texas will have an epiphany while sitting in stopped traffic on a 100+ degree summer day seeing their “remaining miles” number approach zero as the air conditioning system sucks the battery dry.
I've told this story previously. There was a time in Kalifornia where both State and Federal Solar Power tax incentives were high. There was a Solar Power company a few blocks from my office. They used a former farm facility. There was a large home/office, a very large barn, and a tool shed. They placed the solar company signs on the buildings. There were also a few vans and cars. Within a few days of the end of the tax incentives, there was no trace of the company. All the building signs were gone, and no vehicles. I pity the customers who would no doubt eventually need assistance.
If Kalifornia ever manages to greatly reduce ICE vehicles, it will be most amusing to witness the insanity. Kalifornia refuses to build any more electricity generation. During hot weather 'crisis' times, Kalifornia purchases energy from neighboring States. Kalifornia actually shut down a perfectly good electricity generation plant powered by NG. They placed Tesla and other batteries inside the same buildings, probably to try and fool the masses that electricity was still being generated, created. No word on just how they were charging the batteries
Then, lo and behold, there were battery fires in the new plant. Each time there was a fire, they had to shut down, sometimes for months. No word on what the plant customers were doing for electricity during the shutdown.
Zero carbon.
Battery on electric Wichita bus catches fire — the second lithium-ion battery fire in week
https://news.yahoo.com/battery-electric-wichita-bus-catches-155853339.html
Toyota Camry = 3500 lb 100.4 cuft
Toyota Corolla = 3100 lb 84.6 cu ft
Tesla Y = 4400 lb 100.6 cu ft
Tesla mod 3 = 4000 lb 97 cu ft
Looks to me that battery cars like battery cars run 41 to 44 lb per cubic foot of passenger space and ICE vehicles run 35 to 36 lb per cubic foot of passenger space. Looks to me that battery cars run about 20% heavier than ICE cars for the same interior space. So 20% more tire wear, 20% more energy consumed- what a great idea </ sarcasm>
Very true. Lithium battery is about 85% efficient in delivering the power that was put into it. Now add the energy lost in to level 2 charger (abt 10%) lost in the distribution system (8%) energy lost in transmission (8%) and you get back about 3/4ths of the electrical energy produced by the generators.
But wait! There’s more! Fossil fuel plants are about 33% efficient at converting fossil fuels (coal natural gas and oil) to electricity. If the grid were just fueled by fossil fuel then magical battery cars would burn fossil fuel at 21% efficiency, but I’m not finished ranting. Since battery cars weight about 20% more than ICE cars this reduces the efficiency to about 18%. Compare to 30-32% efficiency of modern vehicles.
However, on the side of the battery fanboys the electric grid is only powered 64% by fossil fuels with the remainder being nuclear and hydro (actually a real renewable) and the magic rainbows and unicorn farts - otherwise known as solar and wind. This gives battery cars a 27% efficiency. Problem is that solar and wind only produce electricity about 25% of the time at best. Hydro and nuclear are base load plants and run flat out all the time so when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun isn’t high in the sky combustion turbines burning natural gas pick up the load.
So in conclusion not only do EVs take far more resources to build, but they produce more carbon dioxide than modern ICE Cars. Not that there is anything wrong with CO2, but thats part of the false narrative that the Democrats and their accomplices are pushing the force us to use inferior but more easily controlled by government EVs.
Tesla is not what you describe and is defining the market
Tesla is a profound disruptor that transcends the pitiful efforts of the Biden administration
24k miles on a set of tires is pretty crappy.
My ‘21 Silverado has just under 40k on the OE tires, and I’ll be replacing them around the first of the year.
On my old truck I had a set of General Grabber A/T tires last me 80k, and then a set of Cooper Discoverer tires last 65k before I traded the truck in.
My wife’s Tiguan had 30k on the OE tires before they got replaced, and that was only because a nail through the sidewall.
See my comment #21.
“replace humans with “carbon free” life forms”
All life is made of carbon.
“The government sponsors electric cars for their own reasons. Not for the environment. They can track and turnoff an electric car. They can listen to the driver. They can see what you did after you crash and die. They can see if you were speeding a month ago. They can track every cell phone that entered the car. They can track your listening by any source. The fact that its electric means they can control it. And monitor you. The environment is a very small reason for promoting electric cars.”
It’s amazing how some movies predicted the future
“Bzzz! You’ve been fined one credit for violating the morality code.”
What makes you think that capability is limited to EVs? Any vehicle that can get over the air software updates, and that’s almost every modern vehicle can be shut off remotely, any vehicle with built in GPS can be tracked. We live in a surveillance state already.
If I could mine and burn my own coal, or drill and refine my own oil, or drill my own natural gas, I would. Those energy sources are way better than solar or wind. But I can't use those energy sources without paying through the nose for them thanks to the control-freak Dims. And the Dims are making it worse, with some of them saying it should come down to a social credit score, which to me sounds too much like a mark of the beast type system.
That's why I installed 10kW of solar in May of 2021 -- 4 months into Brandon's stay in the WH. I don't advise doing it unless you do the research on your power consumption habits, solar activity in your area and how that changes each month, etc. I did that research and expected it to produce 50-60% of all the power we consume (more in the spring, summer, and fall, less in the winter). On the 1-year anniversary I exported the data from the inverter into a TSQL database and ran that with queries against the 12 power bills. It produced 58.5% of all the power we consumed, even though halfway into the year I converted my two natural gas appliances into electric (going through a winter all-electric, which is do-able in Alabama).
So I implemented Phase II which was upgrade the solar system and replace my wife's old ICE crossover with an EV crossover (since her car needed replacing anyway). The EV was bought 11 months ago in June 2022 and we've put 24K miles onto it. The solar system upgrade was finished at the end of August. Since that time it has produced 75.5% of all the power we needed, including charging the EV (for about 20K miles, since the other 5K miles were on road trips and charging was done elsewhere except for the first 270 miles of each trip). I expect that throughput to rise to 80% between now and the 1-year anniversary of upgrading solar (since the last few months are summer months -- prime time for solar).
Solar and EV's shouldn't be mandated. I hate so-called one-size-fits-all "solutions". I particularly hate their plan to make the grid dependent on intermittent energy sources -- solar should be an option only in a decentralized form, and even then it should be optional. I hate the Dims' war on energy. I believe in free markets. And even if we're allowed to have car choices and energy choices in a free market, I don't suggest my fellow conservatives to run out and do like I did willy nilly. This kind of project is only for those who are committed to do a deep dive in your family's power consumption habits and driving habits to make sure solar and an EV will make you mostly energy independent without changing your habits. And even then, don't neglect simple energy saving things you can do to your home (adding insulation, sealing cracks, when I replaced my natural gas appliances I paid extra for energy efficient ones like a variable speed heat pump, my hybrid water heater helps me cool the home during the warm months with the free cold air it outputs being ducted into one of the home HVAC's receivers, I duct the air intake of my water heater from the attic to use the free warm air of the attic to help heat the water tank, etc.).
Situations like mine IMHO are the only times solar and an EV are worth it. And even then it's only because the Dims' stupid war on energy makes better options too expensive and, in some cases, not dependable. (i.e. 3rd world California's power brownouts are predicted to be the norm across the nation).
Agreed. IIRC, the "kill-switch" legislation was for all new cars, not just EV's.
Rechargeable personal transports may very well be the correct answer in a world with a growing population. If this is to be the case, lithium batteries recharged by coal fired power plants is not even the best solution with currently available technology, this design isn’t anywhere nearly scaleable enough to be anymore than hobby/enthusiast level toys.
of course if you by a gas car with navigation and you hook it up to your cell phone or some real-time traffic data you are allowing them to get much of the same control. You should not pay for any cell service connected to your car. Real-time traffic data is free over the radio waves and google. No need to pay for a connection.
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