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Ukraine is not in NATO.

We have no treaty with them.

Why are we killing the folks there?

If you say we are not, then our discussion is over.

For anyone to say Ukraine and Russia will not suffer large loss is a fool.

Your insane ideology paying to spill the blood for the cover of a New World Order.

Russia is not playing and there is nothing giving the USA the right to waste our treasure there.

We have no business there.

Stop killing them.

Go ahead and tell me what the political outcome it is that is desired for this.

I am curious how this is supposed to end up according to those supporting this action and why.

Actually, Russia and the USA both willingly signed a defensive assurance agreement (treaty, filed as such at the UN).

It’s called the Budapest Memorandum.

Have you and your revisionist chums in the St Petersburg propaganda mills still not read it yet? Or, read it and didn’t understand it?

It is every bit as legitimate as NATO Article 5. Whether Ukraine is in NATO or not is utterly bloody irrelevant.

The agreement was, if both the USA and Russia wanted Ukraine to hand over the Soviet nuclear stockpile it was legitimately entitled to keep after the end of the Cold War, Russia and the USA must provide security guarantees to Ukraine that it would never be invaded or threatened by either party. Moreover, if anyone else tried to violate Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, both the USA and Russia would be OBLIGED to respond to Ukraine’ s call for assistance.

Both countries signed that commitment. As did the UK. China, Canada, France and the rest of NATO recognise that agreement.

It’s nobody’s fault but Russia’s that they violated that agreement repeatedly, despite knowing from day one it’d lead EVENTUALLY to Ukraine asking the US and UK come to their aid.

The USA is in Ukraine because Russia kept violating its obligations under the Budapest Memorandum.

It’s entirely the fault of Rashist Stalin-fetishist ideology that Russian men are dying in a pointless war in Ukraine.

All Russia had to do to no lose anyone to a war in Ukraine was, stop hitting itself over the head with the Sainted Spade of Chauvinism.

Russia has no legitimate claim to Crimea, or the Donbas, or Zaporozhzhia, or Kherson. None at all. Five treaties with Ukraine, the multilateral Budapest Memorandum, and the international UN Charter, all signed by Russia, invalidate all of Putin’s historical bollocks, USSR nostalgia, whataboutism and Peter the Great fantasies.

America has signed The Budapest Memorandum in 1994, giving Ukraine security assurances in case it would be attacked by Russia. Russia ALSO signed that memorandum, but as the world now knows... Russia raped it to pieces - just like any commie-nations and/or neo-Soviet degenerated ideologies usually do.

The USA on he other hand RESPECTED its signature, and is therefore helping Ukraine to protect its borders and sovereignty. No US troops on the ground though.

We conservatives like the respect for borders. We can’t let foreign armies (especially neo-Soviet armies) invade and take control of everything.
If we let Russia Take of Europe, America would lose its biggest client buying American goods, oil and gas.
It would mean the total collapse of USA’s economy.

Only Communists are supporting Putin :
China, Venezuela, North Korea, Belarus, Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil and of course the Islamic State of IRAN and Islamist republic of Chechnya. That’s it!!

Putin is Russia’s DeepState guy. It’s sacrificing its own people so that the Kremlin mafia can continue eating caviar.