Bud Light sales have fallen off a steep cliff in only one week following Dylan-Mulvaney-gate, costing the brand millions

Not The Bee ^ | Apr 11, 2023 | Joel Abbott

[jmacusa]

Joe’s post #166.

READ IT!

[COBOL2Java]

Even Modelo beer is made in Mexico but owned by AB.

I've always liked Modelo Especial. Even if it's an AB beer.

[COBOL2Java]

New Coke was marketing genius.

Coca-Cola wanted to switch fro real can sugar to HFCS, thereby saving what, let’s say half a penny per boi. Millions of dollars, IOW.

Problem is they couldn’t just change the formulation. People would point out the obvious, they adulterated the product.

So... New Coke, which failed, then the admission that they had made a mistake, and then... NO, not back to Coca-Cola. Introducing... Coke Classic. Full of HFCS. You’ll love it.

That's why we switched to Mexican Coke. Still uses cane sugar.

[DiogenesLamp]

READ IT!

At your urging, I did. It turned out to be the same sort of stuff I expect from brother Joe. He ignores anything that doesn't fit what he wants to believe.

The Powhatan was *SENT* so far as the Confederates had been told. It counts as a warship they believed was coming.

The fact the other warships hadn't yet arrived when the Harriet Lane fired on the Nashville is irrelevant to the larger picture.

The reason the confederates fired on Sumter is because they knew these warships had been sent, and when the first of them arrived, they knew the information they had received about the warships was correct, and they had a very short time to deal with the fort before they all got there.

Warships started the war.

[DoughtyOne]

So what you were saying was that Whites were pure evil during the
Civil War on forward to today, but we shouldn’t draw the conclusion
to your lesson, that Whites are pure evil.

Nah, freeing up the slaves was just a mistake by Whites of the day.

Quite the world view there...

Tell me what the difference is between you and the woke people
today who say there isn’t a good White around, and never was?

[OKSooner]

Yes indeed, me too.

I get it at my local mercado when I buy tortillas, etc. It tastes original because it is original.

[DiogenesLamp]

So what you were saying was that Whites were pure evil during the Civil War on forward to today, but we shouldn’t draw the conclusion to your lesson, that Whites are pure evil.

You seem to be hearing that, but I am clearly not saying that.

Nah, freeing up the slaves was just a mistake by Whites of the day.

I didn't say it was a mistake. That's you hearing what you want to hear again.

I am baffled at how you get what you think you are hearing out of what I am saying.

[jmacusa]

No. The Confederacy did.

Hey Reb, ever hear of battlefields.org?

It an organization dedicated to preserving Civil War battlefields and Revolutionary War ones as well.

Why don't you click on to it and make a donation to help preserve the places where these battles were fought and which are fast disappearing to developers and solar farms. Why don't you do that and put your money where your big mouth is. In fact why don't all of you fat mouth Rebs do that. I've been donating for years.

[DoughtyOne]

So what you were saying was that Whites were pure evil during
the Civil War on forward to today, but we shouldn’t draw the
conclusion to your lesson, that Whites are pure evil.

You seem to be hearing that, but I am clearly not saying that.

I don't believe I am mischaracterizing your remarks above,
by stating that you said you don't give credit to people
who achieve something by unintended consequences, and
that you despise people who claim credit for doing so.

Okay, then just exactly who do you give credit for ending
slavery? Whites who died fighting on the Union Side? Slave
owners? Political office holders of the South? defeated
Military leaders from the South.

I'm going with the White people who died on the battlefield.

Here's my problem with your views on this. If Whites did not
bring about the end of Slavery according to you, aren't
you denying anything good Whites did, while trashing
them for making profits off of slavery? And of course
you labeled them the Whites in the North who made money
off slavery that didn't want to end slavery. You didn't
mention the Whites in the South who made plenty of money
off slavery, who didn't want to end slavery.

And even if you did mention some Whites in the North who
didn't want to end slavery for argument's sake, I still
think it's ridiculous to mention them, without the actual
Southern slave owners who didn't want end slavery due to
the vast sums of money they made off slaves being mentioned.

Then you get righteously indignant because I stated you
label Whites as not doing anything good until this very
day. If you're not going to give credit to Whites freeing
up all slaves, tell me what would be a positive Whites
could have done that was even better. I can't think of
one. If you can't give credit for that, you're about as
lame as any CRT supporter, who states there's is no
legitimate 'Good White' person.

Someone asked if I didn't think slavery would have been
ended by the South anyway in short order. Let's review.
Over 100 years after the CW, the US Justice Department
had to step in and end segregation. The Congress of
the US also stepped in and passed civil rights
legislation that guaranteed African Americans equal
treatment under the law. I'm not convinced at all that
slavery would have been ended anyway in short order.

Nah, freeing up the slaves was just a mistake by Whites of the day.

I didn't say it was a mistake. That's you hearing what you want to hear again.

I am baffled at how you get what you think you are hearing out of what I am saying.

Not really.

Whites in the North didn't want to end slavery, but they
made a mistake.

Whites in the North didn't want to end slavery, but they
put things in motion that wound up with unintended
consequences.

Do you see any real difference in those last two paragraphs?

[DiogenesLamp]

Okay, then just exactly who do you give credit for ending slavery? Whites who died fighting on the Union Side? Slave owners? Political office holders of the South? defeated Military leaders from the South.

You are too focused on the "slavery" aspect of the issue. We are all slaves now. Washington DC is corrupt, and it's forcing all of us to work to support policies and ideas which are abhorrent to us.

Then you get righteously indignant because I stated you label Whites as not doing anything good until this very day.

Where do you get "whites" out of anything I say? I don't regard "whites" as monolithic, I look at them as varying interests who do not always agree on everything. Most of the troublemakers in our world today are "whites", and most of the people opposing them are also "whites."

Someone asked if I didn't think slavery would have been ended by the South anyway in short order. Let's review. Over 100 years after the CW, the US Justice Department had to step in and end segregation. The Congress of the US also stepped in and passed civil rights legislation that guaranteed African Americans equal treatment under the law. I'm not convinced at all that slavery would have been ended anyway in short order.

And you are completely skipping over the fact that all those Northern congressmen and Senators voted to keep slavery permanent and forever. You ignore the fact that 3/4ths of the US government was in *FAVOR* of permanent and never ending slavery.

Stop giving them a pass on their intentions. Stop ignoring how racist and evil they were when they did that.

Whites in the North didn't want to end slavery, but they made a mistake.

Whites in the North didn't want to end slavery, but they put things in motion that wound up with unintended consequences.

Do you see any real difference in those last two paragraphs?

Not really. Neither represents my opinion accurately. If it's wrong, why do I care what degree one is wrong compared to the other?

Here is my position. Very powerful rich whites in the North had used their influence to pass laws that made them rich from the production of slavery in the south. (Navigation act of 1817 for one example.)

They then told their pet congressmen to vote to keep slavery in an effort to keep control of the Southern states which were making them rich. When that didn't stop the Southern states from leaving their control, they launched a war to kill and destroy all opposition to their efforts to control the economy of all the Southern states.

When they had created so much hate and anger from the people they tried to conquer, they finally realized they would never restore things back to the way they were, and so out of hate, they decided to destroy everything they could to further hurt the people who defied them.

They didn't abolish slavery because it was the right thing to do. They abolished it because they had grown to *HATE* the people who had fought them for four years.

There motives were *NEVER* about doing the right thing for black people. There motives always were to enrich themselves and enact revenge on the people who defied them.