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To: daniel1212

Yes, my big thumb hit the wrong number on my keyboard and I didn’t catch it while reviewing—my apologies.

Your interpretation was not that of the early Christians, who had been taught by Christ, and who taught the next “generation” of followers. See the Didache, Chapter 10 (https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm).

One must be both born of the Spirit through baptism *and* eat of His Body and drink of His Blood, and one must receive baptism first.


34 posted on 03/28/2023 2:35:59 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory
One must be both born of the Spirit through baptism *and* eat of His Body and drink of His Blood, and one must receive baptism first.

Sadly; Jesus did NOT tell these requirements to those who asked Him...


John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

 

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”   (direct question)

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”   (direct answer)

 

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

 


41 posted on 03/28/2023 3:13:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Chicory
Your interpretation was not that of the early Christians, who had been taught by Christ, and who taught the next “generation” of followers. See the Didache, Chapter 10 (https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm).

Rather, my "interpretation" is indeed that of the early Christians who had been taught by Christ, since rather than being from the uninspired writings of post apostolic men, it is from what is manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels). And which flowed from OT Scripture which provided the doctrinal and prophetic epistemological foundation for the NT church.

Contrary to the Catholic contrivance of the Lord’ supper (like as other distinctive Catholic teaching) nowhere therein is the Lord’ supper said or shown to be,

Instead, in the only clear description of the Lord's supper in all of Acts and in all of the epistles to churches, the Lord supper is described as a remembrance of proclamation, in which His Lord’s death is effectually remembered by manifesting the union with God and other believers which the Lord's death wrought, which is proclaimed by taking part in actual communal meal with others who were bought with His sinless shed blood.

Which is showing union with the object of their feast and others who are bought by Him like as taking part in religious pagan feasts meant having “fellowship with devils."

See 1 Cor. 10,11 in which the body of Christ as the church is called “one bread,” since they eat the Lord’s supper together, like as Israelites showed oneness with God and each other by taking part in their feasts, and pagans had fellowship with the object of their dedicatory feasts. Which meant that while eating the Lord's supper signified fellowship with the Lord and each other, to take part in religious pagan feasts would mean having “fellowship with devils.” (1 Corinthians 10:15–22)

And "not discerning the Lord's body" (1 Corinthians 11:29) contextually refers to doing just the oppose of the above, that of selfishly eating the Lord’s supper independent of others, even ignoring their valid needs and thus "shame them that have not," which meant that they were actually not coming together to observe the Lord's supper, 1 Corinthians 11:20-22)

For by ignoring others while supposedly remembering the Lord’s death by which they became part of the body of Christ, was to effectually not recognize the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians 11:17–34) Thus many were chastened, some even by death, and thus the solution was not take of a lesson on transubstantiation, but of self examination, and not coming to the "feast of charity" (Jude 1:12) hungry. (1 Corinthians 11:30-32)

50 posted on 03/28/2023 5:37:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Chicory
One must be both born of the Spirit through baptism *and* eat of His Body and drink of His Blood, and one must receive baptism first.

Which besides being wrong (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) indicates that you are either ignorant of Lumen Gentium 19 or a schismatic, since you must deny anyone from being regenerate if they do not believe in the Catholic Eucharist.

52 posted on 03/28/2023 6:01:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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