Posted on 03/27/2023 9:29:00 PM PDT by thecodont
For all your blab there is little truth just protestants blarney. One out of five individuals alive today are Catholic. From the time Jesus walked this earth until 1,500 years later the Bible...devined by God to man was created, compiled, and sustained by His Catholic Church. Then 500 years ago some lunatic decided on his own to correct God remove books of God’s Bible and change God’s word to a weak, confused, misguided mush that has resulted in over ten thousand protestant sects each with different interpretations they glimmers from their fairytale crystal balls.
Your discourse on a fractured Catholic Church is at best lacking in historical perspective. From the beginning of Christianity God’s Church has been under attack from without and within. Your pathetic flopping is indeed the culmination of Satan’s attacks. None have succeeded in defeating God and His Church, your heresy will not prevail either.
You quote a butchered Bible shich you interpret through your personal introspection defined by your short lived experience, limited experience and prejudices you’ve developed not by intellectually honest means.
There is a special place in hell for those who try to turn people away from God.
Your ridiculous argument against the Eucharist is anti biblical. Indeed, you not only ignore or refute Jesus’ own words you desecrate the Sacrament (gift from God).
I was Protestant for over 60 years of my life, I was led...kicking and screaming to God’s Church by the Holy Spirit. A weak minded pretender like yourself has as much chance of defeating God and turning me away from Him as a snowballs chance of surviving hell.
If, you decide to truly sincerely follow Jesus Christ study the incredible Theology of His Holy Catholic Church, it will feel like you finally graduated grade school and entered doctoral program.
THIS bread; THIS chalice: Passover meal
Huh?
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Don't most Catholics!
so true!
Strange, since history shows he was trying to correct the church, which was so far off the rails it had to come up with the COUNTER-reformation.
And there is a special place in Heaven for those to seem to help Jesus.
I guess that's why the seven churches in Asia (revelation chaps 1-3) were so messed up theologically by evidently wonderful Catholic teachers.
Old data.
There are 30,000 or 33,000 or 35,496 or 45,000 of them; depending on who you listen to.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+many+protestant+sects+are+there&ia=web
That’s the wackiest thing I ever heard about the Eucharist.
I prefer he nuns’ stories in elementary school about Blessed Imelda.
—> No u said he was a fraud
Yes. I believe his claims were a frauds
—> and I said prove it.
The evidence is readily available, and you do not seem interested in knowing the true.
I’m comfortable for you to believe what you will.
I looked at both sides and made my own decision.
and of course pio has nothing to do with salvation.
But what do you think our Lord means by these four “THIS”s - what does He say they actually are, and what does He command us to actually do? (as revealed here by Paul):
“Take ye, and eat: THIS is my body, which shall be delivered for you: THIS do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: THIS chalice is the New Testament in my blood: THIS do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.”
Please, in this context, also read and be cognizant of, the last half of John 6, where Jesus even allowed his disciples to walk away forever in their free will.
Perhaps a good place to start understanding is by figuring out just what the symbolism of the foods still mean today.
A mere mantra assertion, contrary to well-substantiated facts and research which you are manifestly ignorant of and or ignore. .
One out of five individuals alive today are Catholic.
17.7% And you actually think that is an argument? If so, then consider that "One in four people is Muslim says one study".
Moreover, your figure includes even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures as well as their RC voters, who overall are manifestly considered members in life and in death by Rome. Thus they are also your brethren, whom you must own.
However, contrary your argument by popularity, the Lord commanded, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat." (Matthew 7:13) It is always ultimately that a remnant shall be saved
From the time Jesus walked this earth until 1,500 years later the Bible...devined by God to man was created, compiled, and sustained by His Catholic Church.
Wrong, as those who penned Scripture and first believed it were irrefutably not Roman Catholic, while the NT began upon the Hebrew Scriptures.
For an authoritative body of wholly God-inspired writings had been manifestly established by the time of Christ as being "Scripture, ("in all the Scriptures") "even the tripartite canon of the Law, the Prophets and The Writings, by which the Lord Jesus established His messiahship and ministry and opened the minds of the disciples to, who did the same . (Luke 24:27.44,45; Acts 17:2; 18:28, etc.)
And thus Scripture )most of it) came before the church, provided the doctrinal and prophetic epistemological foundation for the NT church. Which established its Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, in dissent from the magisterial stewards of Scripture, with even the veracity of apostolic preaching being subject to examination by Scripture.
For the Hebrew Scriptures testify to Jesus being the promised scapegoat and perfect atonement, (https://peacebyjesuscom.blogspot.com/2022/05/why-should-of-jewish-faith-believe-in.html)and the basis for the teachings of Christ and that of His church.
And thus as abundantly evidenced , as written, Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God. Thus the veracity of even apostolic oral preaching could be subject to testing by Scripture, (Acts 17:11) and not vice versa.
For God manifestly made writing His most-reliable means of authoritative preservation. (Exodus 17:14; 34:1,27; Deuteronomy 10:4; 17:18; 27:3,8; 31:24; Joshua 1:8; 2 Chronicles 34:15, 18-19, 30-31; Psalm 19:7-11; 119; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; Matthew 4:5-7; 22:29; Luke 24:44, 45; John 5:46, 47; John 20:31; Acts 17:2, 11; 18:28; Revelation 1:1; 20:12, 15
Moreover, men such as the apostles could speak as wholly inspired of God and also provide new public revelation thereby (in conflation with what had been written), neither of popes and councils claim to do. So much for "oral tradition" as proclaimed by uninspired men being equal to Scripture. Thus the written word is the assured infallible word of God.
And while Rome presumes that souls cannot discern what writings are of God apart from faith in her, the establishment of an authoritative body of wholly God-inspired writings by the time of Christ also shows that both men and writings of God could be recognized without an infallible magisterium.
Yet even it if can be said that Catholicism was the magisterial steward of Scripture, what argument does that make? That since Prots largely concur with ratification judgment of Rome on the canon then they should submit to all her other judgments and teachings? That logic effectively invalidates the NT church itself! If first century souls followed the judgments of the historical magisterium and stewards of Scripture, there would be no NT church.
For as said, the church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, to whom conditional obedience was enjoined, (Mt. 23:2; cf. Dt. 17:8-13) which judgments included which men and writings were of God and which were not, (Mk. 11:27-33) as the historical magisterial head over Israel which was the historical instrument and steward of Scripture, "because that unto them were committed the oracles of God," (Rm. 3:2) to whom pertaineth" the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" (Rm. 9:4) of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation as they believed, (Gn. 12:2, 3; 17:4,7,8; Ex. 19:5; Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Ps, 11:4,9; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33, 34; Jer. 7:23)
And instead they followed an itinerant Preacher whom the magisterium rejected, and whom the Messiah reproved them Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis. (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27, 44; Jn. 5:36, 39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)
Thus under SS, while the magisterial office of church is essential to settle disputes, it must be in subjection of Scripture as regards authority, and not as effectively superior to it, contrary to the Catholic premise of ensured perpetual magisterial veracity (EPMV).
Then 500 years ago some lunatic decided on his own to correct God remove books of God’s Bible and change God’s word to a weak, confused, misguided mush
Which Roman rant is actually an argument against being a Catholic, since it manifests gross ignorance, and of being indoctrinated in pathetic propaganda from prevaricating papist polemicists.
For once again in contrast to such, first of all, scholarly disagreements over the canonicity (proper) of certain books continued down through the centuries (READ IT) and right into Trent, until it provided the first "infallible," indisputable canon — after the death of Luther. Who was free to offer his own opinions on certain disputed books just as other RC scholars did, including Cajetan. See here on Luther and the canon.
And contrary to so much RC propaganda and spin it was not until after the death of Luther that Rome definitively settled her canon. Thus Luther was no maverick but had substantial RC support for his non-binding canon.
As even the Catholic Encyclopedia states as regards the Middle Ages,
In the Latin Church, all through the Middle Ages [5th century to the 15th century] we find evidence of hesitation about the character of the deuterocanonicals. There is a current friendly to them, another one distinctly unfavourable to their authority and sacredness, while wavering between the two are a number of writers whose veneration for these books is tempered by some perplexity as to their exact standing, and among those we note St. Thomas Aquinas. Few are found to unequivocally acknowledge their canonicity.
Secondly, Luther did indeed state that his list was only his personal opinion, which others were free to do themselves, and rather than setting the Prot. canon, it did not, as the latter is larger.
Thirdly, rather than removing books from the canon, we even have Catholic sources themselves testify the 39 book OT Prot canon as having the greatest antiquity, such as that,
“the protocanonical books of the Old Testament correspond with those of the Bible of the Hebrews, and the Old Testament as received by Protestants.”For evidence testifies to the Palestinian canon (held to by those in the seat of Moses) being basically settled by the time of Christ (thus His appeal to "all the Scriptures" - Lk. 24:27), and appeal the (then smaller LXX) or DSS does not change that.
“...the Hebrew Bible, which became the Old Testament of Protestantism.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia>Canon of the Old Testament; http://htttp://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm)
The Protestant canon of the Old Testament is the same as the Palestinian canon. (The Catholic Almanac, 1960, p. 217)
And thus you in your arrogance have relegated the most ancient canon in being "weak, confused, misguided mush"!
Meanhile, as as warranted and helpful as conciliar decree, can be, yet as was the case with the establishment of men as being of God - in which the common people rightly discerned what the valid magisterium did not (Mk. 11:28-33; 12:37; Jn. 7:45-48) - the establishment of writings being of God is not really due to conciliar decree, but the establishment of both men and writings as being of God is essentially due to their enduring heavenly qualities and attestation, which magisterial authority is to recognize.
However, the premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome (and basically in primary cults) is novel and unScriptural, being nowhere promised (despite attempts to wrangle it out of enjoined obedience and promised guidance - which nothing new) nor exampled (Caiphas does not)
that has resulted in over ten thousand protestant sects each with different interpretations they glimmers from their fairytale crystal balls. Your discourse on a fractured Catholic Church is at best lacking in historical perspective. From the beginning of Christianity God’s Church has been under attack from without and within.
As for your argument that unity establishes authenticity, that is another fail since no claim was or is being made that whatever is called "Protestant" represents the true faith, while Catholicism itself exists in schisms and sects. Thus you yourself must contend that within all that is called Catholic - and among all that Rome manifestly considers to be members in life and in death - then there exist the true Catholic church. Yet most of the vocal here who present themselves to be true Catholics reject Francis, many even as pope, thus they have a RCC without a living pope. You must deal with them, unless you are one as well.
And as for historical perspective,i that is actually why so many TradCaths are schismatic, while I am the one who truly judges according to the most valid historical perspective, showing that distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).
Your pathetic flopping is indeed the culmination of Satan’s attacks. None have succeeded in defeating God and His Church, your heresy will not prevail either. You quote a butchered Bible shich you interpret through your personal introspection defined by your short lived experience, limited experience and prejudices you’ve developed not by intellectually honest means.
Actually it is your recourse to vacuous, desperate flailings and arguments by assertions that are pathetic polemics or substitutes of any, which have only resulted in more refutation of Rome. Thus your assertions are self-defeating in defense of a false church (with some true doctrines, by which some have been saved).
Which I was part of as a raised devout, and weekly mass-going CCD teacher and lector, but who, by the grace of God, was prayerfully led out of and into evangelical fellowship, with no personal animus toward Rome, but due to seeking to serve God as part of a more Biblical fellowship, having actually become born again in 1976. And in my long-lived experience now at age 70, this decision has been much confirmed, regardless of your calumny. There is indeed a special place in hell for those who try to turn people away from the gospel of God. (Gal. 1:8) Sorry some choose this.
Your ridiculous argument against the Eucharist is anti biblical. Indeed, you not only ignore or refute Jesus’ own words you desecrate the Sacrament (gift from God)..
Which is simply another vain and actually ridiculous argument by assertion that simply cannot stand before the evident well-substantiated Scriptural refutation of actual RC teaching. I was Protestant for over 60 years of my life,
I was Protestant for over 60 years of my life,
Which means nothing as an argument since that broad ID simply does not mean you actually had a day of conversion. It is penitent, effectual; heart-purifying, regenerating faith, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9) is what is is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) and is shown in baptism and following the Lord, (Acts 2:38-47; Jn. 10:27, 28) who was sent by the Father to be the savior of the world. (1 John 4:14) And by which faith the redeemed soul is "accepted in the Beloved" and positionally seated with Him in Heaven, on His account, glory to God. (Ephesians 1:6; 2:6; cf. Phil. 3:21) And those who die in that obedient faith will go to be forever with Him at death or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; 10:25-39)
I was led...kicking and screaming to God’s Church by the Holy Spirit. A weak minded pretender like yourself has as much chance of defeating God and turning me away from Him as a snowballs chance of surviving hell.
Meaning one who relies on perverse prevaricating personal attacks and parroted propaganda is one kicking and screaming against those who contend for what the NT church of Scripture manifestly believed, vs. your false church, which has sadly become as the gates of Hell for multitudes.
May God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)
"For, as for myself, I received by direct revelation from the presence of the Lord that which also I in turn passed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night during which He was being betrayed took bread, and having given thanks, He broke it and said, This is my body which is [given] on your behalf. This be doing with a view to remembering me.
"In like manner also He took the cup after the partaking of the food, saying, This cup is the covenant new in its nature, a covenant which is within the sphere of my blood. This be doing as often as you are drinking it, with a view to remembering me. For as often as you are eating this bread and drinking this cup, the death of the Lord you are proclaiming until that time whenever He may come.
(Wuest, K. S. (1961). The New Testament: an expanded translation (1 Co 11:23–34). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.)
Paul stated that Christians engage in the Lord's Supper to remember Him and to proclaim Him.
Your “well substantiated fac5s” are bullshit. Here’s really the main fact even an idiot can understand. Catholicism 8s not based upon an interpretation of the new Testament, they produced it.
Further your partial Bible and lack of first hand knowledge passed down as tradition combined with you delusional arrogance to come to a Catholic topic not discussing the topic but trying to turn good Christians away from God’s Church is nothing short of evil.
Go slither back under the rock you came from, or get some real knowledge and study real Catholic Theology. Try Hallow...it’s an app that you can audibly learn the Catechism. Or, try, I don’t think your intelligent to understand but perhaps try reading St Thomas Acquinas or modern day Father Spitzer, Bishop Barron, Father Pacwa, etc. Then truly repent ( clicking your heels three times and saying “God forgive me “ doesn’t cut it.
But most of all protect your suffering soul from he’ll by trying to turn people away from God.
“> No u just accused my faith of falsehood
No. I accused padre pia of falsehood
You can believe whatever you want.
If you want the other side of the acid Padre, it is readily available.
I’m satisfied his stigmata was false.
You can decide for yourself.
—> U Hibbs people
I have no idea what “a Hibbs people is””
You’re truly an idiot denigrating a man of God like Padre PIO whom God gifted so much is insane or abject stupidity. What happened to you to make you such a vile person?
“Strange, since history shows he was trying to correct the church, which was so far off the rails it had to come up with the COUNTER-reformation.”
False history is worthless...
-> You’re truly an idiot denigrating a man of God like Padre PIO
I simply stated that the evidence makes me conclude he was a fraud regarding his wounds.
Anything else you made up.
Simple as that.
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