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My friends this is where the rubber meets the road. Freepers can throw rocks at the left but this is an issue where we're all caught between a rock/hard place. The French helped us but they didn't care for the Brits. Europe is a bloody continent historically-too many tribes. The only peaceful period was under NATO, thanks to the US. Now the bill is coming due.
1 posted on 03/25/2023 7:05:01 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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That depends. If the opposite of isolationism is being world cop ...


2 posted on 03/25/2023 7:08:40 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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Rand Paul is my big hope for the VP slot but it doesn’t cost him anything to advocate isolationism. With that you get Rwanda and the Khymer Rouge. There’s too many of them out there even with our taking the leadership role. Pinochet was guilty but the end justified the means in Chile. The Saudis just may be doing our dirty work in Yemen using our weapons. Saddam was stupid-now Iran controls Iraq with the Shittes majority.

Something tells me it will never stop.


3 posted on 03/25/2023 7:11:26 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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Waging war for fun and profit.
Fun & big profits for the ruling class & the government contractors.
The killing & dying are left to the lower classes, mostly from Flyover Country.


4 posted on 03/25/2023 7:11:58 AM PDT by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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There’s an AWFUL lot of space between “isolationism” and sabotaging pipelines, spending 20 years trying to democratize a place where almost none would even vote for democracy, and certainly not for decadent western sleaze that we were trying to impose as an alternative to tribal brutality.

There is an awful lot of space between “isolationisam” and having a military presence in 100+ countries.

There is an awful lot of space between “isolationism” and having a State Department, FBI and CIA who would coordinate to resist the lawful instructions from the U.S. President and Commander-In-Chief in order to make sure we don’t become “isolationist”.


5 posted on 03/25/2023 7:12:11 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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Our first entry into an undeclared war was from 1801 to 1805, known as the First Barbary War. Entered into by President Thomas Jefferson without a declaration of war by Congress.


7 posted on 03/25/2023 7:16:56 AM PDT by marktwain
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We need to make the world safe for perverts.

Forward comrades!


8 posted on 03/25/2023 7:21:14 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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“Isolationism” has never been tried in the USA, but needs to be.

If we keep our free markets and constitutional systems, we have all the land, manpower and natural resourses we need. We just need to stop welfare and birth control.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t trade. I fact we need a true/fair/non-corrupt international free trade system.


10 posted on 03/25/2023 7:33:58 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/CA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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Rand Paul for VP 2024 and POTUS 2028.

The Neocons never wish to address WHICH international interests are sufficient for us to go to war.

The closest they can come on Ukraine is “Domino Theory” or “preservation of the existing rules based order”.

Both laughable.


12 posted on 03/25/2023 7:54:40 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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The article cited by the post reads: "To the libertarians, these larger issues which give the Ukrainian cause both moral and strategic worth mean nothing. As the Cato Institute says about the war “The U.S. military [which they want to cut] exists to defend the United States and its citizens, not to repel aggression across the world.” This extreme form of isolationism is both unrealistic and ahistorical."....Th author is making a patently false statement - IMHO.

Excerpt from (https://www.thoughtco.com/the-evolution-of-american-isolationism-4123832): - "Isolationist feelings in America dates back to the colonial period. The last thing many American colonists wanted was any continued involvement with the European governments that had denied them religious and economic freedom and kept them enmeshed in wars. Indeed, they took comfort in the fact that they were now effectively “isolated” from Europe by the vastness of the Atlantic Ocean. Despite an eventual alliance with France during the War for Independence, the basis of American isolationism can is found in Thomas Paine’s famed paper Common Sense, published in 1776. Paine’s impassioned arguments against foreign alliances drove the delegates to the Continental Congress to oppose the alliance with France until it became obvious that the revolution would be lost without it. Twenty years and an independent nation later, President George Washington memorably spelled out the intent of American isolationism in his Farewell Address: “The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.” Washington’s opinions of isolationism were widely accepted. As a result of his Neutrality Proclamation of 1793, the U.S. dissolved its alliance with France. And in 1801, the nation’s third president, Thomas Jefferson, in his inaugural address, summed up American isolationism as a doctrine of "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none…”

15 posted on 03/25/2023 8:26:28 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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Such bullshit. Essentially, this article compares what the French did for us to what we should do for Ukraine? Last I heard George Washington didn’t celebrate Bandera or Nazi philosophy. And he wasn’t an outright thief.
And I noticed the old saw about energy supply blackmail supposedly coming from Russia. It was our side that blew up the pipeline. It was our side that impounded their bank accounts and cut them off from swift to receive payment. It was our side that delayed the compressor shipments and refused to let them go, it was our side that refused to even let Northstream 2 begin operation. And to this very moment, Russia is delivering all the energy possible to Europe.

This article is just neocon romance. Also any debt we owe to Europe has been massively overpaid with World War I and World War II and the Cold War. We owe them nothing. And we especially don’t owe Ukrainian Nazis anything.


17 posted on 03/25/2023 9:04:08 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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“The U.S. originated as colonies of a global empire.”

And that is precisely what we rebelled against, and what George Washington warned us explicitly to not become involved in. It’s why the rattlesnake was out emblem. Deadly to tread upon, but doesn’t go out seeking people to attack. Wants to be left alone.


20 posted on 03/25/2023 9:30:00 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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In 1849, Bastiat proclaimed "I shall not hesitate to vote for disarmament because I do not believe in invasions." Yet, what would he do if Russia again invaded France? “I sincerely believe that the best thing we could do would be to receive them well, to give them a taste of the sweetness of our wines, to show them our stores, our museums, the happiness of our people, the mildness and equality of our penal laws, after which we should say to them: Return as quickly as possible to your steppes and tell your brothers what you have seen.”

I have always admired Bastiat for his pro-freedom manifesto The Law. I never knew that he was a cheese-eating surrender monkey.

24 posted on 03/25/2023 10:07:39 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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Being “allied” with half the nations of the world and “isolationism” are not the only two options.


29 posted on 03/25/2023 12:32:27 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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