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To: Cronos
"...the "Palestinians" need to give up that exonym, call themselves simply "Arabs" or further into sectarian groups and accept Israel's right to exist"

I personally think it should be completely irrelevant (from an international standpoint) where Israel is because the world owes the Jews their Zion. Hitler didn't invent the persecution of the Jews, he just made a modern industry out of what been happening to them for centuries (mass-murders, pogroms & evictions) all over Europe.

I understand why the WWII Allies might have ignored intelligence about the death camps in an effort to focus resources on the greater problem of Nazi-controlled Europe. Except that once the war was at an end, not even 1% of the Nazis with Jewish blood on their hands from the Holocaust ever saw the inside of a jail. Even after the war the damned English tried to maintain their embargo on Jewish refugees making Aliya. It might still would be Mandatory Palestine to this day if it weren't for some of the less temperate Jews forcing the English to quit the Mandate.

The lesson of the 19th and 20th Centuries is that the world collectively doesn't give a fig about the Jews, and barely could be bothered to lift a finger to prevent them being exterminated to a man. If they were to have any chance of surviving as a race or a people, it was abundantly clear that the only alternative was to build their Zion, a place where they could be responsible for their own security and well-being, the masters of their own fate, and the keepers of their faith.

That's why I don't see Israel as a nation, I see it as a lifeboat for a people. Their last best chance of survival. And they'd be idiots (which the Jews on the whole clearly are not) if they didn't do exactly whatever is best for themselves and screw what the world thinks about it. The world lost any moral authority to have an opinion on the matter of the Jewish State when the English turned away the SS Exodus at the Port of Haifa in 1947.

So I could not care less where they make their Zion. I find it prophetic that the lands of Samaria and Judea have become that Zion, but what's more important than the geographic location is that it belongs to the Jews, lock, stock and barrel.

I understand the liberal Jews' desire to be accommodating to other religions (the Arabs). What right do you have to expect tolerance if you yourself are intolerant? But it is blindingly obvious how Israel's chances for survival are dimmed if they don't heed the (highly divisive) counsel of Ben-Gvir, that there should be no accommodation of those who want to murder you.

Because if the Jews screw this one up, there's nowhere else to go.

10 posted on 02/13/2023 9:55:41 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli
I understand why the WWII Allies might have ignored intelligence about the death camps in an effort to focus resources on the greater problem of Nazi-controlled Europe.

It was more suppressed than ignored. A few decades back, there was a biography of John J. McCloy. He was an officer of Chase Manhattan Bank who served as a dollar-a-day man during World War II and later went on to captain the Democrat Party team within the Council on Foreign Relations.

McCloy had all the information about the death camps but deliberately withheld it from higher authorities. His excuse was that revealing them would expose our intelligence gathering sources. But after his death, his personal writings showed that McCloy thought Hitler was doing the world a favor with his final solution to the "Jewish question."

11 posted on 02/13/2023 10:46:33 AM PST by Publius
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