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Inside the ‘Horned Up’ Office Culture at ABC News “It felt like everybody was sleeping around,” says one former Good Morning America staffer.
The Cut ^ | FEB. 7, 2023 | Angelina Chapin

Posted on 02/08/2023 6:27:34 AM PST by Red Badger

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Sascha didn’t pay much attention to T.J. Holmes when he began working as an anchor for ABC News in 2014. They were both pulling graveyard shifts, and the then-27-year-old digital news associate spent most of her time focused on her job and trying to stay awake. But a few months later, after Holmes asked her for help setting up his Instagram account, he quickly became flirtatious. “I’m learning a lot about you. I might actually like you,” he wrote in an email. They texted for hours one weekend, and Holmes expressed what Sascha calls a “crazy amount of interest” in her personal life. She knew he was married but found his charisma intoxicating. She rarely felt validated as a low-level staffer, and Holmes often seemed like “the only person in the building who took me seriously.” It wasn’t long, she says, before he booked a hotel near the network’s Upper West Side headquarters and sent her the details. When she walked into the room, he was sitting on the bed.

Stories about Holmes’s affairs with colleagues like Sascha have been trickling out since his relationship with Amy Robach, his former Good Morning America co-anchor, became a tabloid obsession. The Daily Mail outed the couple in November with photos that showed Holmes giving “his lover a playful squeeze from behind” during a trip upstate and Robach leaving an Uber in what social media dubbed her “cheating Uggs.” But juicy gossip about two anchors cheating on their respective spouses was soon followed by tabloid reports about Holmes’s alleged dalliances with co-workers on less equal footing: a junior staffer in her mid-20s, a GMA producer in her 30s, and Sascha. (Holmes declined to comment for this story.)

Such office relationships between women and men with more seniority were common at the network in the 2010s, according to current and former employees. (Their names have been changed because they fear professional consequences.) These sources, women who were all in their 20s when they were first hired, say constant rumors about office hookups, including among the company’s top brass, made them feel it was normal to sleep with or date a senior colleague. “It was very commonplace,” says one former GMA staffer. “It felt like everybody was sleeping around.” Staffers worked long, irregular shifts, which made it easier for senior-level men to have relationships with younger women who had no time to date outside work. Ruth, who left GMA in 2019 but is still an ABC News producer, says that show in particular seemed like it was staffed by “a bunch of horned-up high-school students,” who “learned how to do news in the ’80s when people were still doing blow in the bathroom.”

An ABC News spokesperson didn’t dispute any specific anecdotes but said in a statement that, “We do not condone or allow harassment or intimidation of any kind and take these matters very seriously and with immediacy.” “Creating a safe, respectful, and professional work environment for everyone has been, and continues to be, a top priority at ABC News,” they said.

Holmes and Robach, as far as we know, were two colleagues of equal stature having a consensual affair. They weren’t so different from Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, the MSNBC anchors whose off-screen romance was lauded as a Great American Love Story despite rumors that it began as an affair. When Holmes and Robach signed off the Friday after they’d become international news, Holmes sarcastically joked that it had been a “great week,” one he wished would keep “going and going and going.” (“Speak for yourself,” Robach said.) But the publicity didn’t let up.

A few days later, Kim Godwin, the network’s president, pulled them off the show. She told staffers that though the relationship was “not a violation of company policy,” it had become a liability for GMA’s brand. ABC News then launched an internal investigation into whether Holmes’s affair with Robach, or any other staffers, violated the network’s “morality rules.” The anchors each filed for divorce, lawyered up, and began drawn-out negotiations with their employer. Two months later, they signed exit agreements, a fact the pair seemed to celebrate by straddling and hugging each other on the street in Los Angeles.

ABC News “rewarded the people that were either divas or adulterers,” a former GMA staffer says. “It was very frustrating because there were a lot of people that were doing good work.”

Seeing the couple’s story go viral made Sascha question her own relationship with Holmes and the workplace culture that made sex between co-workers seem so normal at ABC News. Before their affair began, she would cry before the start of her workweek. The overnight shows were chronically understaffed, and she says her boss would often yell at her when she asked questions. Sascha ground her teeth from stress until there was no enamel left, and the nocturnal 9 p.m.–to–5 a.m. schedule left no room for a social life. “I was so exhausted and lonely,” she says. “I couldn’t get out of bed.” Dating was impossible. But with Holmes, she didn’t have to explain her disorienting schedule.

Their affair became a bright spot that carried her through grueling shifts. Sascha started doing her hair and dressing nicely for work. During breaks, she’d visit Holmes’s office, where they’d have sex behind a locked door. It didn’t seem crazy to her at the time given what she describes as ABC News’s “rampant culture of sex.” Sascha had heard rumors that other colleagues slept together in an edit bay, where the window was covered by a poster, and that after having affairs with executives, certain women had been promoted. “It was a pretty scandalous place,” she says, especially on the overnight shift.

The women felt their sex lives factored into their career path in the intensely competitive newsroom. ABC News “rewarded the people that were either divas or adulterers,” the former GMA staffer says. “It was very frustrating because there were a lot of people that were doing good work.” Julie, a former ABC News staffer, puzzled over why she wasn’t advancing within the company despite having the qualifications. “I was like, What’s wrong with me?” she remembers thinking. But given the rumors she’d heard about some people who landed more senior roles, she wondered, “if I had slept with someone, would I have been more likely to have gotten one of these jobs?”

While hookups were common, the women worried they’d be more likely than the senior staffers to face potential fallout. Alicia, a former ABC News producer who dated an older co-worker, says the mentality among her colleagues was that all the cool kids were dating someone senior, and that doing the same might give them some street cred. But Alicia feared the opposite. She found herself worrying that one executive had “turned very, very sour on me,” which she suspected was because they had found out about the relationship. She also recognized the power imbalance at play, given that “my reputation was in danger, but not his.” To this day, “most of the ill will and shame I feel is directed towards myself,” she says. “I wasn’t mature enough to have the foresight not to screw around and put my career in jeopardy.”

Not all of the sexual advances were welcome, and the company was not always sympathetic to reports of harassment or misconduct. In 2021, two women accused Michael Corn, GMA’s former executive producer, of sexually assaulting them during his tenure. One of the women, Kirstyn Crawford, sued Corn and ABC, saying the company “elevated” him through the ranks while failing to renew her three-year contract after she filed a formal complaint in 2021. The lawsuit was dismissed last year because the statute of limitations had run out.

It never occurred to me that any of this was at all inappropriate. I really did think, This is just what happens, right? In 2017, Ruth told HR that an editor who called her “babe” had put his hand on her bare thigh while they worked together in a dark, soundproof edit bay. She was in her late 20s and remembers a representative telling her that the company never took action because Ruth “didn’t seem that mad” (a former colleague and text messages from the time back up her account). Though she recalls being upset, she says, “Everybody deals with this kind of stuff differently. I could be giggling, and you should still look into it.” Ruth thought ABC News’ response sent a clear message that her concerns didn’t matter. She stayed at her desk to avoid any future interactions with the editor. For her part, Alicia didn’t even think to tell HR when an older colleague hit on her in his office. “It never occurred to me that any of this was at all inappropriate,” she says. “I really did think, This is just what happens, right?”

Sascha’s relationship with Holmes began to peter out after less than a year, once he left the overnight shift to focus on Good Morning America. She says he never gave her a heads up about the new job, which left her “heartbroken” and feeling like a “throwaway object.” They continued to speak on the phone, however, and hooked up once more a few years later. When he reached out again in 2019, Sascha wanted a friendship. But when she tried to meet him for tea, Holmes didn’t respond for a few days. “I’m pretty sure you only text me when you need attention,” she wrote in a text message. “And then otherwise I don’t really matter.” His final response was “Goodnight.”

Still, Sascha felt no animosity toward Holmes until his other affairs, including one with another junior staffer, made headlines. “I was just part of a pattern,” she says, adding that at the time “I didn’t even think about power dynamics. I thought I was special.” As a young woman trying to build her career as a producer, she might have been “blacklisted” within the industry or “gotten in huge trouble” had word spread about the affair. “Why was I taking that risk?” she says. “It’s something you kind of kick yourself over.”

Sascha recently found out that she and Holmes hadn’t been so covert. In late January, the New York Post interviewed a source who had heard “rustling” from Holmes’s office in 2015 and saw a “junior staffer” emerge looking “looking ‘completely flush’ and like ‘a deer in headlights.’” While the story didn’t name her, Sascha immediately recognized herself as the subject. She felt violated and angry. “It’s just really upsetting to read it from the perspective of somebody who saw me being sort of confused,” she said. “Maybe they were right.” Watching the tabloids publish the names and photos of other women who were involved with Holmes, without their permission, makes her worry the same might happen to her. “My entire career could be affected by this,” she says. She wishes the tabloids would focus more on “the environment that we worked in” than on calling out specific women Holmes may have slept with based on secondhand accounts.

A current ABC staffer says the newsroom has become less scandalous since Godwin was hired as the network’s president in 2021. “Kim has gone out of her way to create a sort of zero-tolerance policy here,” says the source, who’s had a long career at the network. “There has been cultural change.” The Daily Beast reported that ABC News staffers are upset with how Godwin handled the incident, however, and say she is “losing the confidence of the newsroom.” Ruth sees Holmes in particular as a “sacrificial lamb,” since she says the culture of office relationships “has been a pretty well-known problem for a long time.” Sascha, for her part, felt relieved that Robach and Holmes had been taken off-air and that the tabloids might move on. But despite the resolution, she’s worried the network is painting the former anchors as bad apples rather than acknowledging that their behavior was part of its culture. “I think that they’re more protective of the company’s reputation than they are their staffers,” she says.


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To: Red Badger

Matt Lauer is gonna be pissed that he worked at the wrong network.


21 posted on 02/08/2023 8:19:59 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: Old Yeller

Whatever happened to that scumbag anyways?..........


22 posted on 02/08/2023 8:22:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Wait - mensluts and womensluts are working in the entertainment industry? When did this start happening?


23 posted on 02/08/2023 8:27:04 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Red Badger

Every office comes with a casting couch.


24 posted on 02/08/2023 8:28:17 AM PST by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: Red Badger
The women felt their sex lives factored into their career path in the intensely competitive newsroom. ABC News “rewarded the people that were either divas or adulterers,” the former GMA staffer says.

No wonder they don't have journalists in news rooms, they have only the whores and adulterers who slept their way to the top.

25 posted on 02/08/2023 8:30:12 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Red Badger
This goes back to the Mimi Gurbst days at ABC News.

See this post for details of how she used sexual innuendo to run the news division.


In 2010, ABC News covered up their own executive newsroom sexual harassment scandal.

In a seemingly innocuous article about retiring ABC News executive Mimi Gurbst ("Top ABC News Producer Leaving Network To Become High School Guidance Counselor"), the New York Observer opened the floodgates for insiders to vent their frustrations over what really went on behind office doors.

Two hundred forty nine posts later, the New York Observed purged the entire contents section. Below, I am posting the entries specific to sexual harassment at ABC News.


ABC News Producer Leaving Network

I'm sorry, but I find this story almost more than I can swallow. I spent the better part of 10 years at ABC News and Mimi Gurbst, who was demoted from VP of News Coverage some years back to a producer role, was great with her stable of favorites and at best an obstructionist with those she didn't like. This had nothing to do with qualifications of being a good journalist, it was simply reward and recognition for the sycophants who sucked up to her the most. ABC's gain is some poor school's loss...these kids had better start complimenting Mimi on her hair and outfits if they want the time of day from her.


How to Get ‘In’ with Mimi [A Guide for Future Students]

1. Mimi and her clique of chosen ones at ABC News were dubbed the “Mean Girls.” To be a part of the group you had to be at least 3 of the following: white/good-looking/rich/pedigree/Ivy(or fancy boarding school) or date/marry/be associated with people who fit that bill
2. If female, wear expensive jewelry and shoes. Talk about the size of your boyfriend’s penis, how good/bad the sex is, and how much money he and his family make.
3. If male, see #2 and add flirtation. Yes, even if you’re gay. Dress well and keep yourself groomed. Tell her which females and/or males you want to f***. And use that word.
4. If minority, talk about your racial sexual preferences. Bonus points if you like white women and/or men. Extra bonus if they are Jewish.
5. All – you must ALWAYS have a good gossip story. Tell her gossip (preferably sex-related) about your colleagues. If you know famous people, you MUST name-drop. Talk about your love for the Four Seasons and fancy hotels/restaurants/shopping. And as previously mentioned, compliment her hair and outfits.
6. Doing all of the above will guarantee you a plum position at…well, not at ABC News anymore THANK GOD. I’ll be sure to pray in church this Sunday that the good lord Jesus will help her change her ways…so help those children.


Ding Dong The Witch is Dead!

The bearded Lady, Jabba the Huttress.
I can only surmise that Felix Gillette is either hoping for a job at ABC or his significant other already has a job with ABCNews. Obviously, Felix has no idea of how horrible person Mimi Gurbst is. Did she get her power at ABC News from her early relationship with Bob Murphy by helping to keep his sexual orientation (before he came out of the closet) or maybe she was blackmailing him?
Whatever. It's 20 years too late and countless decent people's careers ruined, not to mention the advancement of many incompetent sycophants.
I spent 11 years there and it was all about avoiding Mimi.
And yes, you really did need to stop by the desk every day and find something to compliment and drop some dirty little sex joke.
Ick! I can still see those big black hairs sprouting from her chin....


The queen of manipulation

Let me first say that I managed to maneuver around Mimi and never was scathed by her ---or at least not in a way that made any big difference. But I saw plenty who were.
I guess you're getting the message that you need to do a follow up story or at least correct some of the errors. Now that Mimi can no longer control lives, the flood gates are open. Banner was one of her pets from his days as a desk assistant. He made a quick rise, in part, because he was ambitious and a hard worker, but also very much because Mimi made sure he was groomed and got chances others didn't get at the same stage of their careers, so naturally he thinks she's wonderful.
Many people often wondered why Mimi--who never really earned her spurs as a producer and had almost no producing credits--was in charge of news coverage and then was put in a position at the World News rim to oversee stories that experienced producers were producing. One thing one could not do was question upper level management about the wisdom of having her in those positions.
There was a joke that people had to do "couch time" in her office. Not sex, but schmoozing and sucking up. Because her office had a big window that opened onto the newsroom, people also could look in and see which of Mimi's pets were getting face time with her that day.
When potential correspondents were being interviewed, they always had to have "an audience" with Mimi as they made the rounds to meet executive producers and top management. She'd swoon over the men she considered handsome and anoint them stars. The women who usually made the cut were blond. She'd dismiss people who hadn't gone to the "right" schools, who didn't have the "look" she liked or whose personalities didn't click with her dish-the-dirt approach to life. Some perfectly good correspondents failed at ABC because Mimi iced them the day they walked in the door and systematically trashed and marginalized them making sure they would never get on World News.
You also should check out the circle of mean girls on the second and fifth floors. They were great at politicking. Not so good at building the kind of team ABC needed to be competitive. They were in place before Westin arrived and he seemed unable to weed them out.


Bad Business, The Personal Foulness Just a Part of It

As competitors we would often laugh at how ABC made its decisions based on Mimi's preferences (all those very effete, tepid reporter boys) or David Westin's lust for prestige. David's people seemed to spend more time fighting themselves then actually working on their programs.

Ms. Gurbst is an example of how a company loses its way when the boss manages things by keeping the explosive unruly children at a slow boil instead of leading with a genuine business strategy. The house that Roone built is a mshadow of itself. There is no plan for growth over there, just self preservation.

As a competitor, it was easy to see how this woman did a lot to make that happen. She was allowed to stay on because of her deep and intimate knowledge of Mr. Westin's decisions and ethics over the years.

I knew about her for years. I met her once. Unsolicited, she trashed another woman in the business using foul words and venom, it was like a sewer pipe had opened up and all of Bronxville's waste products were coming out of an orifice. And yet it was a mouth. The subject was someone she barely knew. I wondered at that time if Ms. Gurbst had a daughter or son and what would happen to them in the world one day when they met someone like her. And also wondered how someone like that could have been in a corporate culture so long.


One of the Victims

I feel like one of the victims of the Catholic church abuse scandal who finally (albeit years too late) gets a chance to speak out.

Countless excellent journalists had their careers and lives ruined because they were not a part of Mimi Gurbst's vicious cliche of mean girls and boys. If you were unwilling to gossip about your colleagues sex lives; if your unwilling to betray your colleagues and friends with vicious gossip that would help end their career; if you did not have the right designer clothing or the right school connections you were subject to the capricious calls of Mimi Gurbst.

So what if you were the first on the scene or managed to uncover a great story. A Mimi sanctioned correspondent or producer would likely be sent in to big foot you and take it away. Everyone knew it was happening but no one said a thing.

I almost cried when I read about the woman who still has nightmares about Mimi 10 years after leaving ABC. They are the nightmares of victims who were wronged and had their careers terminated while ABC executives looked the other way. Sadly, many of those in top positions at the main news shows and in management were Mimi sycophant--of course they were or they wouldn't have gotten there.

Someone in a legitimate news organization, please, please do a story on how hundreds of great journalists had their careers ruined by this woman and her 'cult of mean' at ABC News, while everyone looked the other way. Please do not write this off as just disgruntled recently-layed- off employees....if you read these posts you will see that there is a pattern over two decades of this abuse at ABC News.


Not a victim

@Get a life: As others have said, it's great that you benefited from Mimi's Mother Hen role, but a major part of the reason ABC was dysfunctional was precisely because of the way Mimi operated. The stories being told on this website are only the tip of the iceberg. . .and the tentacles lead to lots of others who are implicated in this long time drama.
Personally I wasn't a victim, but as I said earlier, I watched as she destroyed others. I remember having a conversation with one young correspondent who was confused and frustrated because Mimi kept cancelling appointments with him. He desperately wanted feedback, but he wasn't one of the guys who made her weak in the knees, so she just let him dangle until he finally was encouraged by others to leave. I don't think he ever really realized just how she was operating behind the scenes to make sure he would never succeed at ABC.
I think lots of us are feeling guilty now that we didn't do more to stop it by speaking up, but the atmosphere was such that we all knew criticizing Mimi was career suicide. Better to leave and use one's gifts where they could be appreciated. Mimi's not the reason I left, but lots of us are in that group of people who are glad this situation is finally being exposed.


Mimi Gurbst

I have had an exceptionally happy career at ABC News. But nothing, nothing dismayed me more than watching Mimi Gurbst single-handedly attack the news division, destroy lives, ruin stories, humiliate and degrade people, and generally give journalism a bad name. This is a woman who did not care one bit about news. This is a woman who once asked me where Rwanda was (while in her role as head of global news coverage) and why we should be covering "all those black people". This is a woman who created an atmosphere of sexual harassment by telling me in specific detail in the middle of the newsroom how our closeted gay VP liked his sex and where, and then proceeded to tell me he WOULD promote her or he would pay. Never, never, was there any attention paid to the importance of a story, the reporting of a story, or ethics.
Never were people hired or promoted based on experience or skill. Simply on their relationships with Mimi.
And Mimi got ahead by attaching herself to people in power, learning every personal detail of their lives ... and wielding them as power. Now it's poor Diane Sawyer.
Why, you ask, do we not name ourselves here? Are you aware of the atmosphere of terror at ABC now? Of the vitriol this woman has and will continue to show? This woman destroyed careers and lives. She will do it again to those poor high school kids if she is ever hired at a school.
We are now over 100 people -- this has not stopped. We are not all bitter. We were not all harmed by her. Many of us have watched in horror and helplessness. We can't all be wrong.


Ding Dong

I spent more than a decade of my life as a producer for ABC, and I can assure you, these people who have posted before me are not exaggerating. And I learned something new yesterday. As many of us "formers" have been burning up the phone lines, rejoicing that Mimi will no longer be in a position to hurt people at ABC, a correspondent I used to work with told me something she's kept from me all this time. She said years ago, Mimi pulled her into her office and demanded to know the dirt on my sex life. When my friend refused to talk about me behind my back (imagine that), she says Mimi set about to torpedo her career...and did a very nice job of it.

All this fury reminds me of that scene after the fall of Saddam Hussein - the one where all the angry little people push over his enormous statue, and it topples to the ground. Truth has a way of bubbling to the surface. Even in a newsroom.

To Mimi's future employer, please understand she has the potential to damage a lot of lives at your school, just the way she did at ABC. Her fundamental values are not going to change just because she's in charge of a different group. And this group is far more vulnerable than we were.


Massive Disney HR Disaster

Massive Disney HR Disaster Revealed....finally

I can't believe no one is commenting on the complete lack of HR support at ABC News. There is no way....no way....that people didn't go to HR with Mimi complaints. As a former abcnewser who was sexually harassed in front of staffers, I have experience. I went to HR armed with graphic emails and other staff willing to bear witness. I was told that if I wanted to have a career in this business I would let it go. When I chose to leave I asked for an exit interview and was granted one. I spoke and they wrote nothing down.


Mimi Gurbst and ABC's "Heathers" culture

First, an anecdote. I spent a few years as an on-air talent at ABC News. During my first week there, it was suggested that I spend some time with Mimi Gurbst. I had no idea who she was or what she actually did in the organization, but I took the hint and got on the couch.

What followed would have made a good scene in Madmen (aside from her gender). Instead of asking me about my goals as a journalist or the types of stories I wanted to cover, Mimi was very focused on the fact that I was marrying someone of a different race. She also was very interested to know my opinion about Robin Roberts' sexual orientation. I walked out still not understanding what Mimi actually did at ABC News, but I figured she must be pretty damn important to get away with behavior like that.

Now, aside from all this perfectly justified Mimi-bashing, here's the important point: The "Heathers" culture that existed at ABC News as personified by Mimi caused it to miss countless opportunities to avoid the fate which has befallen it. It missed the chance to start a cable network in the 1990s, instead watching both MSNBC and Fox News eat its lunch. When it finally did make a lame and belated attempt with ABC News Now, its balkanized culture kept it from giving it the promotional support it needed to succeed. The place is a complete mess, and it's why I got out of there the first chance I got (thank goodness).

The deck was not stacked against ABC News or Mimi Gurbst. It was immature and unprofessional management that put it in this position. That is sad for all the smart, inspiring people who have worked there (and I include Jessica among them).


There are also plenty of posts asking if media reporters like Brian Stelter would cover this story. There are later posts declaring that ABC Execs were pressuring and threatening the media reporters to ignore this story.


-PJ

26 posted on 02/08/2023 8:33:23 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Bob434

“Well ABC dies stand for All About Cex”

All Black Channel

All Black Correspondents


27 posted on 02/08/2023 8:48:47 AM PST by utax
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All Black Channel All Black Correspondents

BBS Mornings is the morning show for Blacks. 66% of the hosts are Black when the population is more like 15%. Their focus stories are usually 80% about Blacks. It's morning TV for Blacks. It's also the lowest rated morning show.

28 posted on 02/08/2023 8:50:56 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

CBS Mornings, not BBS


29 posted on 02/08/2023 8:51:15 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro

30 posted on 02/08/2023 8:53:16 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: dfwgator

Well, the have to parrot the DNC talking points with an air of seriousness and conviction. How do you do that without cracking up laughing?


31 posted on 02/08/2023 8:55:17 AM PST by sjmjax
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To: Huskrrrr

Baba Wawa slept with the right people to get her job back in the day.


32 posted on 02/08/2023 8:57:25 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger
...she describes as ABC News’s “rampant culture of sex.” Sascha had heard rumors that other colleagues slept together in an edit bay, where the window was covered by a poster, and that after having affairs with executives, certain women had been promoted.

Guess if ABC "journalists' can't use 'pigmentation' weirdo sexual kink, powerful 'daddy/grandfather' or commie ideology to get ahead then 'on your back' - the 'Harris' way' works. Here's what we know for sure - 'merit' isn't the way to get promoted at ABC.(and it shows)

33 posted on 02/08/2023 9:37:36 AM PST by GOPJ ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ Gumballs: Immigrants by the numbers.)
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To: GOPJ

Maybe ‘journalism’ is the ‘Oldest Profession’...................


34 posted on 02/08/2023 9:42:46 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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