Posted on 01/31/2023 8:19:26 AM PST by Robert DeLong
You're likely 100% correct, although I might describe that as a "vital interest" to many corrupt US politicians and other 'elite', rather than a "vital interest" to these United States...
;^)
Germans big mistake was bombing the city to rubble, actually made it much easier for the Red Army to defend.
IMHO one of the best analyses of Stalingrad
The Battle of Stalingrad Every Week with Maps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0zJ0lPq1UU
Well yeah, it made a big change in the outcome of WWII.
But also a sad day for the Nazi supporters here on FR.
See, I can make ignorant statements too, douche canoe.
This is about what a ground war most likely will look like, and it will likely involve U.S. men & women.
But then you who act like school girls fawning over Zelenskyy, really do not see the real picture. Just the fictitious propaganda pictures you are sold.
I would counterfactually urge Stalin not to make a pact with Hitler to begin with.
I would also urge that Russia/ Soviets not aim massive nuclear ballistic missiles at the United States in hopes of completely annihilating our society.
The United States opposed the Nazis and the Soviet Communists.
See, I can make inteligent complex statements here on FR.
It is completely justifiable and consistent with the American spirit to defend one’s country (Ukraine) against and outside aggressor (Russia).
If Stalingrad has any lesson to teach you and the other Russuophiles it is that sometimes attacking another nation’s homeland engenders severe resistance not easily calculated at the war planners table.
Is that clear enough for you Robert?
Ukraine is not our country, the U.S. is. Ukraine is perfectly welcome to defend their country to the best of their ability. I do not want my children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren being saddled with that debt. Nor do I want them involved in that war.
When they are allowing an invasion that is 30 times that of what is happening in Ukraine in our country, I object even more strenuously. Now it's not only the southern border, it's our northern border as well.
I care about America, and right now Ukraine is of no importance to this nation. But it is important to the politicians in this country to increase their wealth by funding yet another unnecessary war in which they can switch their stock trading to armament manufacturing companies. They will keep their pandemic pharma stocks for the next "plandemic" coming down the pike, and people like you allow them to do so. Perhaps you are trading on that expectation yourself, but money is fiat, so you may just be doing yourself in along with everyone else.
But here's a real complex question for you, why did Biden gut our energy independence, but allowed Russia to continue with its Nord stream project?
Furthermore, you are under the miscomprehension that our vehement lack of support, equates to us being pro Russia. That is such a fallacy conclusion, and even you stated that the U.S. was against the Nazis, and it was also against the communist. It was also against the fascists, yet that is exactly what the left in this country is trying to make this nation become, and you are mindlessly supporting that endeavor. If you would open your eyes, you would realize that fact.
Zelenskyy sold his nation to the New World Order/One World Government, so Ukraine will never be free. That's another reality that you totally ignore.
No, you are not a complex thinker at all, all you can say is; Russia invaded Ukraine, without considerations as to the why. Ukraine has invited what their nation now faces with the terrorism they executed upon their Russian speaking citizens.
The US and Russia waged a Cold War for some fifty years and there were constant nuclear threats from Russia. And for fifty years the US and NATO never backed down to Russia’s threats.
What changed that you think we should have held the line against Russia then and not now?
LOL
AS in the revolutionary war for America it is not surprising that the US is an ally of Ukraine.
It does not make sense that because Biden is a bad president we must all make collectively bad decisions to react to him.
In the origin of the Ukraine conflict. Obama and Biden refused to give lethal aid to Ukraine following your logic. It was president Trump who rightly gave dramatically increased aid to Ukraine and lethal aid. It is of course Biden that was up to his eyeballs in Ukraine corruption when the Obama/Biden team took those positions.
Russia is behaving in the Nazi belligerent fashion here. They will continue to expand and find more ‘defenseless Russians’ to liberate across Eastern Europe. That is not difficult to discern. They were not content to steal Crimea. They wanted to steal two more provinces of Ukraine and the whole of that nation as a puppet state.
This aggression from Russia is consequent to Biden’s weakness in foreign affairs. That is why Russia launched the attack once Trump was out. Further weakness will not cause Russia to stabilize and be nice in Europe. They wanted war and they got it.
Now they can enjoy dozens of Ukrainian stalingrads as Ukrainians fight for their homeland. I do not see the absence of a US border as a justification to let Russia take over Ukraine. I think people are being reactionary here on FR because Biden is a bad president. That does not change the principles of this problem.
"Roosevelt's Road to Russia"
George N. Crocker
Regnery Books, Chicago and Washington, DC
1959
It's not about Biden being a bad president at all, it's about the fact that Ukraine knows all about Biden's corruption. They are choosing to protect him to milk this country for as much as they can get. Wake up.
AS in the revolutionary war for America it is not surprising that the US is an ally of Ukraine.
That statement makes no sense whatsoever. Are you trying to say that because France sent the rebels aid in their fight against the British Crown, that we are doing the same thing with Ukraine?
To begin with, France was not knocking on the door of economic collapse as we currently are. Economic indicators right now are as bad as 1932, when our nation went into a decade long depression. We are 31.5 trillion in debt, and the unfunded liabilities are well over 100 trillion. BRICS is gaining momentum as more countries join the BRICS movement, as we see with the Egyptian parliament voting to approve agreement to join the BRICS bank. When we no longer are the world's reserve currency, it will not bode well for us at all.
In addition, it was an opportunity to attack Great Britain without involving their country at all. Sure, there were some French citizens who were all to eager to join in and fight along side of us. Just like there are Americans who have volunteered to go fight in Ukraine. I have no issue with that at all. Most opt out after a short tour of duty because the troops are not getting support from the Ukraine government.
It was president Trump who rightly gave dramatically increased aid to Ukraine and lethal aid.
Now he is saying that it needs to end, but of course that doesn't support your case, so you provide that little tidbit because it supports your cause. but you ignore his latest statements, because it doesn't support your case.
Russia is behaving in the Nazi belligerent fashion here. They will continue to expand and find more ‘defenseless Russians’ to liberate across Eastern Europe. That is not difficult to discern. They were not content to steal Crimea. They wanted to steal two more provinces of Ukraine and the whole of that nation as a puppet state.
You have no way of knowing that, but us getting involved in it only succeeds to increase Russia's involvement. But Putin has expressed that he has no desire to rule western Ukraine. Have no clue if he is being honest or not, but it's worth it to intervene to try to stop the madness right here, not keep ratcheting up the escalation. If this does break into WWIII, we will be facing not one, but two nuclear powers, because China will not be siding with the U.S., for China has been at war with the U.S. since the 50s.
This aggression from Russia is consequent to Biden’s weakness in foreign affairs. That is why Russia launched the attack once Trump was out. Further weakness will not cause Russia to stabilize and be nice in Europe. They wanted war and they got it.
So, you are confident that the Biden administration can fight a winning war? What if they get rid of Biden, and Kamala becomes our president? You are delusional to the nth degree.
Now they can enjoy dozens of Ukrainian Stalingrads as Ukrainians fight for their homeland. I do not see the absence of a US border as a justification to let Russia take over Ukraine. I think people are being reactionary here on FR because Biden is a bad president. That does not change the principles of this problem.
That is probably your most idiotic statement thus far by you. You are not even worth communicating with, if you express that kind of blatant ignorance.
You don't think, at least not with critical thinking skills. Quit emotional thinking with your heart, and try using that gray matter between your ears instead.
Do you also put your neighbors before your own family?
If Chamberlain had dealt with Hitler with an iron fist rather than being an appeaser, the war might never have begun, or at least wouldn't have started until some time later.
If the resolution in he US Congress to reinstate the draft had passed by more than one miserable vote, the Japanese might never have bombed Pearl Harbor.
If the French hadn't disregarded aerial intelligence available to them before they and their British allies got cornered at Dunkirk, if, to the contrary, they had thrown everything they had at the Nazi artillery, which was to the well to the rear of the German advance, traveling alone, isolated and without adequate protections, they might have destroyed it in one fell swoop. Then they could have focused on destroying the artillery-less German armor columns at their leisure, and WWII might have been over.
If the Allies hadn't supplied Stalin with weapons, the Nazis would have been in Moscow before Christmas. Stalin would have retreated to the east, scattering his forces to the four winds, denying him the ability to marshal a cohesive army, and compromising his ability to conduct command and control.
Not only would the other Allied armies have lost a significant numerical asset, there'd have been no one in a position to drive the Nazis out of the Russian oil fields in the Caucuses, so the Krauts would have had abundant fuel at their disposal until the Allies in could have reached there coming from the west or south.
Essentially all of the changes the collapse of the Russian army would have brought to pass would have worked against the Allies' odds of winning.
All we can know to a certainty is that the Allies won. If anything had been done differently, anything, the outcome might have been different.
If Rommel hadn't insisted on going home to celebrate his wife's birthday. If Kelly Johnson hadn't begun working on the P-38 Lightning four years before the US entered the war. If Brig. Gen. Theodore Roosevelt Jr had broken a bootlace before he'd got off the beach at Omaha. If the coroner in Huelva,Spain, had done his job competently for once and discovered that Glyndwr Michael had died from rat poison rather than drowning.
If the Allies hadn't been so cussedly punitive in the Treaty of Versailles,... History might have been different.
You continue to rationalize the malice of Putin and mock the interests of Zelensky.
Putin wants to annihilate the United States. His Satan 2 ICBM is one of his proudest regular boasts. But somehow Americans must pretend that you have our best interests at heart because you do not want to waste our tax dollars while the US border is insecure.
That is what is idiotic here— not my explanations.
The United States is NOT knocking on the door of economic collapse. We sell our debt because it is highly sought after. No other nation can sell its debt at such volumes because they lack the productivity. The reason our border is over run is because global humanity does not agree with you that we are “on the door of economic collapse.” The BRICS story is one of the oldest and most foolish anti-American stories of decades. It has been told since the 1980s. Nation’s buy our debt— that speaks volumes to how strong the United States is economically. Our rising interest rates only make our debt more attractive to foreign purchasers. No one is going to make massive investments in Egypt, India, or China. Their assets will easily be stolen by those governments and without apology or regret.
President Trump killed more Russian troops than almost any President on record. He likely could end the war quickly because of a willingness to strike Russia with comprehensible force. I don’t think clandestine missions to kill Russian generals would be off the table to help Russia understand that it cannot militarily take over other countries. Trump’s latest statements would be heeded by Russia because of the hundreds of Russians he killed abroad in contexts your analysis does not support.
I do not have great confidence in Biden and Harris and do not see their ineptitude as a reactionary basis for agreeing to bad policy— let Ukraine be taken over by Russia.
The idea that I do not think with critical thinking is typically of the rogue off the mark thinking that too often expresses itself here at FR. You have no idea who I am in an anonymous forum like this and its foolish to try to sum up my capacities intellectually. You do not have a good argument so you want to make some totalizing analysis of me and my inability.
That is not the problem. You are not even the problem.
The problem is Putin and he is wrong to be militarily deployed in Ukraine. His sons and daughters are paying the price you pretend to be paying. He will keep paying that price until he withdraws and recovers the capacity to think critically.
Therefore, I didn't present this piece to cheer on Russia but to remind people that playing this stupid game of escalation is not in our best interest as a nation, because fighting in that region ultimately gives an advantage to Russia.
You also seem to ignore, that it would become the first war where nuclear weapons is not an advantage that the U.S. singularly enjoys anymore.
Germany was also developing nukes. They had missiles that actually worked. We didn’t have the luxury of time.
It fell back (routed is a better term.). They regrouped, armed with US steel, clothing, and lead…and they raped and pillaged their way to Berlin.
Their tactics sucked. Their men were brave.
They would be speaking German if not for the US. That fact seems to be lost on the ungrateful barbarians.
7 and not making the USSR declared war on Japan immediately. Because of the battle in 1939 Japan was deathly afraid of the Soviet Union and they surrendered the second the Soviet Union entered the war, not because of Any nuclear bombs.
Not so. For months the Japanese were looking for a way out of the war. Peace feelers were sent through the Soviet Union and Switzerland. The sticking point was retaining the Emperor.
"What changed?" Apparently you missed a little history. Russia is not the Soviet Union, and most of the Warsaw Pact countries are now members of NATO; the under-funded, under-trained, under-equipped, corrupt and incompetent Russian conventional forces are NOT the threat to western Europe once posed by the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact alliance. That simple fact has been blatantly obvious since last spring - an army that couldn't even take Kiev is no threat to NATO.
In addition, although you cite fifty years of Cold War, you have apparently forgotten that the US elected NOT to intervene in Hungary in 1956, or in Czechoslovakia in 1968. Why? Because the US had no military treaty obligations requiring intervention, and no vital interests in either country. In 2022, the US likewise had no military treaty obligations requiring intervention, or any vital interests in Ukraine, but elected to intervene anyway, despite the obvious risk of an escalating confrontation with a nuclear-armed adversary. Makes you wonder if the American commander-in-chief is in his right mind - oh, that's right, he isn't.
No, I state the truth. Putin actions of retaking the Crimea, was a move to put the U.S. on notice that they took umbrage for the U.S. for fomenting a coup d'etat against the duly elected president of Ukraine. It wasn't just going to tolerate that overt meddling within Russia's sphere of influence that directly affects the security & stability of Russia. Did we sit idly by and allow the Soviet Union to bring nuclear weapons to Cuba? Hell no we didn't.
I'll just direct you to this well documented timeline from BBC. This timeline is to be read from bottom to top as it the top is 2019, while the timeline starts in 1991, but one should start in either 2004 or skip to 2013:
Putin wants to annihilate the United States. His Satan 2 ICBM is one of his proudest regular boasts. But somehow Americans must pretend that you have our best interests at heart because you do not want to waste our tax dollars while the US border is insecure.
Correction, now both borders are being breached, because the borders no longer exist. Since Biden has illegally become our president due to election theft, more than 5 million people have invaded our nation and you act as if there is nothing wrong in that invasion, because it's not an armed invasion. In 2020 the estimated cost of providing for those illegal invaders to this nation cost the American taxpayers an estimated 250 billion dollars er year. That's a quarter of a trillion dollars. With 5 million newly absorbed illegal invaders that means that cost just keep going up & up. In addition, illegal narcotics are also entering this nation killing another 50,000 Americans due to addiction. Women & children are being sex trafficked. Bad actors whose desire is to inflict damage to this nation are also coming in.
The United States is NOT knocking on the door of economic collapse. We sell our debt because it is highly sought after. No other nation can sell its debt at such volumes because they lack the productivity. The reason our border is over run is because global humanity does not agree with you that we are “on the door of economic collapse.” The BRICS story is one of the oldest and most foolish anti-American stories of decades. It has been told since the 1980s. Nation’s buy our debt— that speaks volumes to how strong the United States is economically. Our rising interest rates only make our debt more attractive to foreign purchasers. No one is going to make massive investments in Egypt, India, or China. Their assets will easily be stolen by those governments and without apology or regret.
The United States is NOT knocking on the door of economic collapse. We sell our debt because it is highly sought after. No other nation can sell its debt at such volumes because they lack the productivity. The reason our border is over run is because global humanity does not agree with you that we are “on the door of economic collapse.” The BRICS story is one of the oldest and most foolish anti-American stories of decades. It has been told since the 1980s. Nation’s buy our debt— that speaks volumes to how strong the United States is economically. Our rising interest rates only make our debt more attractive to foreign purchasers. No one is going to make massive investments in Egypt, India, or China. Their assets will easily be stolen by those governments and without apology or regret.
An article from 2020: Is the Fed Buying Our New Debt?
From the above article:
Since the crisis began, neither domestic nor foreign holdings of debt have increased significantly. Instead, the Federal Reserve has sharply increased its ownership of U.S. debt.
Couldn't find one currently. I suspect that's because the Federal Reserve is still buying our debt.
Again, you are totally ignoring the BRICS agreement that is beginning to catch real momentum. Once it takes hold and replaces the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency, it will turn very nasty very quickly.
Perhaps you also missed this:
GDP report reveals ominous Great Depression warning sign not seen since 1932
Bottom line is, this nation is indeed knocking on the door of economic collapse. The unsecured borders are damaging Americans, and will negatively impact the children of this nation as we keep adding debt upon their backs before they even have a chance to get a job. Our interest payments are the size of the Defense Departments annual budget. The last thing we need to do right now is to keep spending and acquiring more debt.
Biden has been hallowing out our military. Both with woke ideology BS, as well as, with the "vaccine" mandate. They had to change a requirement for pilots, because many of them no longer fall into what has been a range required for safety, due to the effects of the "vaccine". Before you say, well they have taken that mandate off of the military:
West Point continues to impose COVID-19 vaccine mandate, despite rule's lift by Pentagon: report
Again, do you take care of your neighbor, before you take care of your family? I for one, do not desire to keep piling debt upon the shoulders of America's children, and especially not for Ukraine. PERIOD!!!
Even Europe, especially Germany, is beginning to question if they should continue down this path of following the U.S. in to this push for escalation.
He likely could end the war quickly because of a willingness to strike Russia with comprehensible force.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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IF I WERE PRESIDENT, THE RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BUT EVEN NOW, IF PRESIDENT, I WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AN END TO THIS HORRIBLE AND RAPIDLY ESCALATING WAR WITHIN 24 HOURS. SUCH A TRAGIC WASTE OF HUMAN LIFE!!!
Again, you are pretending to have knowledge that you don't, because he screamed that he would negotiate an end, not a willingness to strike Russia with comprehensible force.
What is your tie to this conflict? Do you own stock that an escalation would benefit you? Do you have family in Ukraine? Do you desire to finally finish of this nation?
I mean really, why are you so insistent with our involvement in this border dispute?
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