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Steely Dan vs John Lennon: The Feud That Signified the End of The Beatles Era
Far Out Magazine ^ | SAT 21ST JAN 2023 | Tom Taylor

Posted on 01/28/2023 11:27:55 AM PST by nickcarraway

“I still believe that love is all you need,” Paul McCartney continues to proclaim, “I don’t know a better message than that.” And yet John Lennon took that love-uber-alles ethos to such an extreme in the 1970s that even his old rose-tinted mate was retorting, “Too many people preaching practices.” So it’s no surprise that the sardonic duo in Steely Dan rolled their eyes when they heard the ‘Smart One’s’ prayer for peace with ‘Imagine’ and a string of pious talk show appearances in the early 1970s.

Steely Dan’s bold response to Lennon’s all-white evangelism signified that the prominent days of the ‘Fab Four’ were waning. They may well have reached such a lofty height that they were steadfast to transcend society forevermore like counterculture Christs, but the age of atheism was now dawning, so to speak. How could it not?

The problem that The Beatles faced was the same one that all religions must reckon with, at one point faith surely has to sort this shitshow out. Try as ‘Imagine’ might, Lennon’s attempt to set the world to rights didn’t do much. It was becoming clear that love would only get you so far, but you’re going to need a whole lot more. At least creeds have promised eternities to deal with that quandary, The Beatles did not—they had a break-up and questionable dualities.

In 1971, Lennon appeared on The Dick Cavett Show alongside Yoko Ono. In an army overshirt, he spoke of peace and love. Outside the Regis Hotel where it was filmed, things were falling apart in a rainy New York City. Between 1969 to 1974 the former bohemian utopia lost 500,000 manufacturing jobs. Subsequently, a million homes depended on welfare, rapes and burglaries tripled, drugs ran rampant, and murders hit a high of 1690 a year.

In a wider sense, the American war offensive in Vietnam intensified. Charles Manson’s sentencing relived the horrors in the headlines. The post-war income gains began to drift from the median in favour of the 95th percentile for the first time. Jim Morrison’s excesses caught up with him. And the children of the revolution were faced with reconciling the fact that loads of lovely songs had, in fact, failed to stop a string of assassinations and other atrocities.

It is, of course, easy cynicism to scoff at Lennon’s pledge for a pristine paradise of borderless dreams, but that’s an open goal that Steely Dan and millions of others were happy to score in. It was their considered opinion that even having your heart in the right place can be a folly if you’ve failed to read the room. While Lennon would argue that he was promoting hope and some much-needed spiritualism to act as a beacon in these dark times, Steely Dan opined that “only a fool would say that”.

Their 1972 track, ‘Only a Fool Would Say That’ was written in response to Lennon’s parade of peace. It looks at idealism through the practical eyes of folks on the street. “You do his nine to five,” they sing, “drag yourself home half alive, and there on the screen, a man with a dream.” And with that, you get a sense of how grating and vacuous they thought that Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ campaign had become.

However, importantly, it wasn’t just the man on the street who identified with this tone. It was the kids coming through wondering what their place in the world would be. You see, it’s a reality that we’re still getting nostalgic over and no doubt will do forevermore: the 1960s were a cultural zenith akin to the great renaissance period confined to about seven short years from Bob Dylan’s The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan in 1963 to Woodstock in 1969. These might seem arbitrary, but that’s the legacy of culture—these things require an arc. Given that the height of the first renaissance was about 465 years earlier, it was dawning that it might take some time before things reach the frenzied heights of the Summer of Love again.

By the time Steely Dan began pointing their fingers at misplaced idealism in the fallout from that prelapsarian slide of flowery dreams to the nitty-gritty side of realism, a new cultural outlook was seeding. The kids searching for their own identity out in this grim new dystopia and a sort of cynical academic approach seemed like the answer. Their parents had come of age in the days of ‘White Rabbit’ but now they were spending their old hashish money on white goods, accepting the fruits of capitalism and the home comforts of commerciality.

This was asserted by one of the flower power eras’ most beloved stars no less. “You watched that high of the hippie thing descend into drug depression,” she said. “Right after Woodstock, then we went through a decade of basic apathy where my generation sucked its thumb and then just decided to be greedy and pornographic.” Once more, it must be said that this is awful harsh and cynical, but that was the angle being drummed up and it was an easy tune to march to.

It was as though the 1960s had been hoisted by their own petard, faced with the turn-coat tag of converting to reality or the oblivion of endless idealism. Lennon chose the latter, but sadly he didn’t give up quite enough possessions or clean up his pitfalls enough to be canonised a saint, and this made him a target for the likes of Steely Dan and Frank Zappa who criticised his preaching. Their comical satire was more akin to the disdainful ways of Kurt Vonnegut than any conventional philosophers. The didactic ways of Lennon were often the punchline to their acerbic idealism-defying opinions.


TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: 60s; 70s; beatles; beatnik; bobdylan; childishpeople; dickcavett; hippie; jimmorrison; johnlennon; music; newyorkcity; nonstory; overblown; steelydan; wasteofbandwidth; whocares; woodstock
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To: dfwgator

Zappa was right.

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101 posted on 01/28/2023 2:49:34 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: nickcarraway

Steely Dan “Can’t Buy a Thrill” album — Classic. Beatles had many CLASSICS. Never thought of Steely Dan in the same league as the Beatles. I was there.


102 posted on 01/28/2023 2:54:29 PM PST by Lonely Are The Brave (A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan)
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To: Steely Tom

Wasn’t Forrest Gump’s trip to Mao’s China the inspiration for John Lennon’s song : IMAGINE ? 🤣😀 😆


103 posted on 01/28/2023 2:55:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind (😆)
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To: ifinnegan

Well, you wouldn’t even know a diamond if you held it in your hand


104 posted on 01/28/2023 3:11:50 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Lurker
Steely Dan was better than the Beatles in every respect.

The number of famous musicians who have named The Beatles as an influence is staggering. I honestly can't remember any famous musician naming Steely Dan as an influence, though I'm sure there are a few. And, of course, The Beatles sold many, many more records than Steely Dan did. One hundred years from now people will know who the Beatles were. That is unlikely to be the case with Steely Dan. It's okay if you prefer the music of Steely Dan, but to say they were better than The Beatles in every respect is just laughable.

105 posted on 01/28/2023 3:14:15 PM PST by KevinB (Word for the day: "kakistocracy" - a society governed by its least suitable or competent citizens)
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To: Ge0ffrey

“Imagine” is the atheist version of “Amazing Grace”.


106 posted on 01/28/2023 3:23:29 PM PST by AceMineral (One day men will beg for chains.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Lennon was coming around by 1980 - unfortunately he got gunned down by a mentally damaged person at the Dakota.


107 posted on 01/28/2023 3:32:55 PM PST by SamAdams76 (4,857,036 Truth | 87,716,542 Twitter)
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To: nickcarraway
Interesting article. The 1960s "Peace and Love" generation is vastly overrated.

The majority of these hippies ended up becoming yuppies during the 1980s. The era of conspicuous consumption and love of material things. Yes, the same so-called idealistic people of the 1960s would be spending the 1980s in exclusive nightclubs with $600 suits buying $10 drinks and watching their 401k's by day.

There was a movie around 1984 called "The Big Chill" which showed just how pretentious the 1960s generation became.

These are the people running our country today. Scary.

108 posted on 01/28/2023 3:45:11 PM PST by SamAdams76 (4,857,036 Truth | 87,716,542 Twitter)
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To: Freedom4US

The Rutles’ version was “All You Need Is Cash”


109 posted on 01/28/2023 4:21:04 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: nickcarraway

I doubt any of the Beatles even knew who they were, and if they did they paid very little attention.

Steely Dan was a talented band, a few of their songs are on my all-time favorites list, but nowhere near Beatles level


110 posted on 01/28/2023 4:26:51 PM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: Mr. K

Almost all of the Playboy Playmates in the 70’s listed Steely Dan as a favorite band. I can think of no higher recommendation.


111 posted on 01/28/2023 5:02:33 PM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Mama Shawna

I MIGHT make an exception of the ‘Rubber Soul’ album. I listen the that one a lot.


112 posted on 01/28/2023 6:19:46 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: SamAdams76
Lennon was coming around by 1980 - unfortunately he got gunned down by a mentally damaged person at the Dakota.

And Yoko was right next to him, and not one bullet....Things that make you go "hmmmmmmm".

113 posted on 01/28/2023 6:21:20 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ifinnegan

Drinking much?


114 posted on 01/28/2023 7:23:23 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: dfwgator

Come on, who would want to hear the screech she would let out if she was hit?


115 posted on 01/28/2023 8:00:42 PM PST by Subcutaneous Fishstick Blues
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To: ifinnegan

Your comment has me hypnotized.


116 posted on 01/28/2023 8:05:41 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: dfwgator
I’ll take Oingo Boingo

Indeed. "Only a Lad" is definitely anti-leftist as well.

117 posted on 01/28/2023 9:58:26 PM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: GLDNGUN

The reason bands like Steely Dan were so popular was because everyone was stoned.


118 posted on 01/28/2023 10:15:10 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: nickcarraway

As a Gen Xer born in the 70s, this was before my time. I remember it since I was the last of 6 kids, but the whole naive 1960s utopianism was before my time. The cynicism it bred when all of the leftist utopian dreams inevitably failed was what I saw.

That cynicism was healthy. We should be cynical of utopians. That’s what Millenials missed. They actually believe in Gaia Worship and global socialism’s utopian promises.


119 posted on 01/29/2023 4:39:52 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: Ge0ffrey

Imagine wasn’t a prayer. It was global socialism’s anthem.


120 posted on 01/29/2023 4:42:08 AM PST by FLT-bird
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