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To: DEPcom
You did not answer the question of who is We in your comments.

We is us, you and me, the general public.

It is possible that other factors, such as pre-existing medical conditions or behavior, may be contributing to the higher hospitalization rates in unvaccinated individuals.

That would only be relevant if people with those conditions or behaviors were less likely to get vaccinated.

Additionally, the study’s findings that vaccinated individuals were still at a high risk of severe outcomes despite vaccination and that there was no clear difference in the risk for ICU admission or in-hospital death between vaccinated and unvaccinated persons raises concerns about the efficacy of the vaccine.

We were talking about reducing the risk of hospitalization and death.

Further detailed analyses examining clinical presentation and outcomes are needed before drawing definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing hospitalizations.

What do clinical presentation and outcome have to do with it?

Covid patients were either hospitalized or not. Are you suggesting vaccinated and unvaccinated patients present differently?

And outcomes are post-hospitalization.

...the prevalence of different variants of the virus, could also have contributed to the observed trends.

Do you mean the vaccine advantage may vary dependent upon the variant? Quite possible that that effect is showing up in the numbers. So what? The advantage is still there through the various variants.

The items 1, 2, and 5 are data from the CDC, which may have limitations in its reporting system, therefore the numbers provided in items 1, 2, and 5 should be taken with a grain of caution.

I can provide dozens and dozens of similar reports from healthcare systems all over the world. You're free to ignore the evidence but don't pretend it isn't there.

223 posted on 01/22/2023 12:46:15 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
I can provide dozens and dozens of similar reports from healthcare systems all over the world.

No you can't, government man.

And tell me this. Why would anybody POSSIBBLY trust or believe one word that comes out filtered through your lying government lips? Riddle me that, Vaxman, if you dare.


231 posted on 01/22/2023 2:30:32 PM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: semimojo

“We is us, you and me, the general public.”

I am sure you do not speak for me or other members of the Free Republic.

“I can provide dozens and dozens of similar reports from healthcare systems all over the world. You’re free to ignore the evidence but don’t pretend it isn’t there.”

Your last statement does not make any sense if you do not understand why clinical presentation and outcome is important. Don’t pretend proper clinical and presentation is not important.

“What do clinical presentation and outcome have to do with it?”

Clinical presentation and outcome are important in making decisions about vaccine effectiveness because they provide a more complete picture of how the vaccines are impacting the population. Clinical presentation refers to the symptoms and characteristics of a disease in an individual patient. Outcomes refer to the end result of a disease or treatment, such as hospitalization or death. By looking at both the clinical presentation and outcome in a group of patients, researchers and healthcare professionals can better understand the overall effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and hospitalization. Additionally, by looking at how the vaccines impact different subpopulations (e.g. elderly, immunocompromised), we can identify any potential disparities in vaccine effectiveness or safety concerns: then take steps to address them.

I am seeking more information on the clinical presentation and outcomes of the vaccine to ensure its safety. Is it unreasonable for me to want this information before making a decision about vaccination?

Given that the experts of the government have controversial views on gender identity, is it reasonable to question their ability to make sound decisions about the safety of a vaccine?

A lot of the vaccine safety data is coming from the same goverment experts.

Given that these experts may believe in concepts that are not supported by common sense, should we question their judgment in ensuring the safety of a vaccine?

Is it reasonable not to trust a government with a history of poor financial management to effectively manage the safety, distribution and administration of the vaccine?

Feel free go ahead and trust those goverement experts, I will not.


232 posted on 01/22/2023 3:39:09 PM PST by DEPcom (DC is not my Capitol after Jan 6th lock downs.)
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