I saw your post.
You did not answer the question of who is We in your comments.
““We have proof that the vaccines are very effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths.””
I have looked at your post and have the following rebuttal.
Item 3: ‘COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022’
The data presented in this study only shows a correlation between vaccination and hospitalization rates, and does not prove causation. It is possible that other factors, such as pre-existing medical conditions or behavior, may be contributing to the higher hospitalization rates in unvaccinated individuals. The study also acknowledges that hospitalized cases among vaccinated persons occurred in older and more medically fragile populations, which may already be at a higher risk for severe illness.
Additionally, the study’s findings that vaccinated individuals were still at a high risk of severe outcomes despite vaccination and that there was no clear difference in the risk for ICU admission or in-hospital death between vaccinated and unvaccinated persons raises concerns about the efficacy of the vaccine. Further detailed analyses examining clinical presentation and outcomes are needed before drawing definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing hospitalizations.
Item 4: ‘COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status’
The report provides data on the impact of vaccination on COVID-19 in Washington state, but it does not prove a causation. It shows a correlation between vaccination and a reduction in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths from COVID-19. However, it does not prove that the vaccine caused this reduction. Other factors, such as changes in behavior or the prevalence of different variants of the virus, could also have contributed to the observed trends. It is important to note that correlation does not equal causation, and further research is needed to establish a causal relationship.
The items 1, 2, and 5 are data from the CDC, which may have limitations in its reporting system, therefore the numbers provided in items 1, 2, and 5 should be taken with a grain of caution.
We is us, you and me, the general public.
It is possible that other factors, such as pre-existing medical conditions or behavior, may be contributing to the higher hospitalization rates in unvaccinated individuals.
That would only be relevant if people with those conditions or behaviors were less likely to get vaccinated.
Additionally, the study’s findings that vaccinated individuals were still at a high risk of severe outcomes despite vaccination and that there was no clear difference in the risk for ICU admission or in-hospital death between vaccinated and unvaccinated persons raises concerns about the efficacy of the vaccine.
We were talking about reducing the risk of hospitalization and death.
Further detailed analyses examining clinical presentation and outcomes are needed before drawing definitive conclusions about the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing hospitalizations.
What do clinical presentation and outcome have to do with it?
Covid patients were either hospitalized or not. Are you suggesting vaccinated and unvaccinated patients present differently?
And outcomes are post-hospitalization.
...the prevalence of different variants of the virus, could also have contributed to the observed trends.
Do you mean the vaccine advantage may vary dependent upon the variant? Quite possible that that effect is showing up in the numbers. So what? The advantage is still there through the various variants.
The items 1, 2, and 5 are data from the CDC, which may have limitations in its reporting system, therefore the numbers provided in items 1, 2, and 5 should be taken with a grain of caution.
I can provide dozens and dozens of similar reports from healthcare systems all over the world. You're free to ignore the evidence but don't pretend it isn't there.