Posted on 01/19/2023 11:00:52 AM PST by Revel
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fireman15 posted this yesterday — a quote by Steve Kirsch:
“I knew from the start that they were lying about the vax being safe, not because I knew it was unsafe, but because I knew they couldn’t know that it was.”
“It will be used against him.”
Yes, but if he says “Those vaccines are junk! They’re killing people!” that will be used against him too, since he fastracked their development and promoted the vaccines. His best option would probably be to just avoid the subject altogether if he can.
I said some nice things about him twice before on this thread. Just because people seem to be either fully with or against Trump is not my fault. I try to be fair and call out the good and the bad. And I think that Trump has earned the right to be treated fairly even if he is wrong about the vax. I honestly believe that without him then we would already be under full communist rule. 6 years of Hillary would already have gone by. No country could survive that. 2 years of Biden has almost finished us. Conservatives have a good reason to be disgusted by Trumps stand on the vax. They have no right to hate him or just write him off as a human being. In some ways that is even more disgusting.
I agree with a lot of your analysis.
Bottom line, whether WMD and vaccines are to be seen in pejorative lights for their Republican advocates does not matter to the larger picture of choosing lesser poisons in politics.
I am surprised by your RBG analysis. It seems that John Roberts under Bush explains how terribly wrong a SC pick could have gone under Trump.
I am frankly relieved and somewhat surprised that Trump— despite being rather favorable to abortion rights— allowed pro life nominees to advance under his choices.
To say “it doesn’t matter” is plainly absurd and why FR degenerates into counterproductive discussion.
If Kamala/ Joe when re-election, that is much worse for America and all of us.
What is clearly happening in every election is that the 25% of ‘best conservative’ are deciding that the necessary lesser 25% necessary to win are excluded from participation in an electoral win.
That does not make sense. Admitting that Bush was good in his context rather than superimposing on the present is the sensible political realism.Right now Trump is literally the only alternative and its crazy to compel him to admit that operation Warp Speed was a disaster.
he can argue correctly that he did not make the jab mandatory. He can also argue that he had somewhat better positions on this than DeSantis.
“or is he not able to process information that contradicts old theories?”
I don’t think it’s that, or he’d probably still be a Democrat. So I’d go with “pride” as the more likely answer.
And you are more disgusting than anyone. You only see what you want to see and nothing more.
i never trashed trump...
i want him to run for president for 2024...
i want desantis to fulfill his obligation and serve his full second term as florida governor...
those experimental shots might’ve screwed you up more than you realize... 😁
You sound panicked.
Go back to posting the Trump decal.
It is a much better look!
Agree!
“you anti vaxxers”
Someone who objects to one rushed, ineffective, barely tested “vaccine” (that they had to change the definition of vaccine for) is hardly an “anti vaxxer”. Anyone trying to toss that label on them isn’t really credible.
“Denouncing trump on vaccines is foolish.”
I like Trump. I’m still going to vote for Trump. But he got snookered on this one and it’s going to damage him one way or the other, no matter what he says now. That’s not the fault of conservatives. We did not dictate his choices for him. We believe in personal responsibility, remember? That goes for Trump as well as anyone else.
What do you pure bloods want?
Great point!!
I invested in the vaccines and have made millions of dollars.
If y’all die that’s on you.
I’m off to my luxury compound in Belize.
Suck it, losers.
Warp speed when trying to develop a vaccine is just plain stupid and extremely irresponsible. Offering it to the public before any real trials were completed is criminal. Trump can say he was mislead, maybe he was, he’s certainly not a scientist. He can claim he was just plain wrong to fly half-assed into something this serious when the disease itself wasn’t that serious. He needs to quit being such an insufferable braggert, do some real research, and appologize to a lot of people. He never will, because although he was a great president in most ways, his narcissism will be his downfall.
That is a fact. The fact it was experimental and the drug companies got a liability pass was a big red flag for me.
Enclosed pamphlets that were empty pages was another tell. Almost immediately they started pushing the fact you would have to take more and more jabs as people began getting ill or passing out after they took them.
There was NO NO NO jumping out at you.
“What do you pure bloods want?”
Well, I can only speak for myself, but as I said in another comment already, he should probably just avoid the subject altogether as much as possible. It’s a lose-lose topic for him.
Sure, if you disagree with my point, it is counterproductive to yours, I suppose. But it is discussion, that is what we are here for, eh?
Not sure why the truth about RBG is 'surprising'. She gambled. She died. Trump did not make that happen. His picks, so far, are OK. You mention Roberts in regard to Bush. But don't forget the BushI / BushII picks of Thomas and Alito are the ones who killed Roe when RBG died after gambling on Hillary to win. Stubborn, selfish behavior can hurt your main cause. Cough, cough....Trump, SwampJab....
Trump is the only declared candidate, certainly NOT the only option for 2024. We don't know the options yet.
Call me crazy all day. Trump should admit that Warp Speed was and is a yuge failure. He is fine with the swamp as long as he is involved and can imagine/take credit for something. He gave BigPharma, who already owns Congress and the media, more tax money, more power and more protection from justice. Perhaps it's a secret plan to drain the swamp by over-filling it - with my money.
Trump is NOT principle-driven. He is a populist politician. I know he acts like we should worship him, but in reality if enough people on our side criticize / steer him, he will perhaps turn Right once in a while. Lots of Left turns lately. Infatuated Trump supporters making excuses for wrong behavior will result in more wrong behavior. Not in much needed course corrections. That's science talking.
“...I can’t find anything online supporting that supposition when I looked.”
Did you try looking in my medical records? It’s well documented.
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