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To: numberonepal
The argument given by Rand is epistemologically sound. A is A. Rational selfishness is far superior to altruism. It can be proven metaphysically. It doesn’t matter that you don’t like it because the nature of reality exists whether you recognize it or not.

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No, Rand is the one who fails to recognize spiritual reality, and creates a fantasy.

In her defense, I am convinced she was sexually abused as a young child in the USSR. This is almost always true in the case of Borderline Personality Disorder.

She is a textbook case. Brilliant mind, but in denial of much that is human (because it is too painful), attempting to substitute an intellectual construct (which then must be psychologically defended) for God. Her psychosis is very evident in the clip you provided, as well as the personal history I mentioned earlier.

1,825 posted on 01/10/2023 8:44:51 AM PST by Disestablishmentarian (The next war has already started. )
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To: Disestablishmentarian
...creates a fantasy.

You are correct she doesn't recognize anything spiritual. And interestingly enough she did not have use for humor which I disagree with. But if one is thinking completely empirically her proofs are spot on. There's no reason to dismiss her philosophy based on her lack of faith. The philosophy works and it works better than any other complete philosophy ever created. Remember she's only addressing empiricism, and disregarded anything that our senses do not inform.

Further, purism is a terrible vector is almost any human endeavor. Just look how conservative purism has stymied the growth of freedom and liberty. Purism was her Achilles heel, no doubt. But that's no reason to attack the messenger who was 100% right about what would happen should altruism become the dominant philosophy in a society. We do not disregard what we learned from JFK even though he was a terrible Catholic. When one thinks for themselves they analyze all avenues available to find the truth. There's only been ONE purist to walk the earth.

1,827 posted on 01/10/2023 9:06:19 AM PST by numberonepal (WWG1WGA)
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To: Disestablishmentarian
Ayn Rand seems to have missed the memo on agape entirely.

So her premise, that if you love everyone regardless of merit, that means you love nobody, is not true; it sounds like she's using the word love to describe storge or philios...

1,840 posted on 01/10/2023 10:11:46 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: Disestablishmentarian

Disestablishmentarian wrote:



The argument given by Rand is epistemologically sound. A is A. Rational selfishness is far superior to altruism. It can be proven metaphysically. It doesn’t matter that you don’t like it because the nature of reality exists whether you recognize it or not.
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No, Rand is the one who fails to recognize spiritual reality, and creates a fantasy.

In her defense, I am convinced she was sexually abused as a young child in the USSR. This is almost always true in the case of Borderline Personality Disorder.

She is a textbook case. Brilliant mind, but in denial of much that is human (because it is too painful), attempting to substitute an intellectual construct (which then must be psychologically defended) for God. Her psychosis is very evident in the clip you provided, as well as the personal history I mentioned earlier.

“attempting to substitute an intellectual construct (which then must be psychologically defended) for God”

A.k.a. worshiping the created instead of the Creator.

That is extreme hubris on her part, along with the other issues you mentioned.


1,855 posted on 01/10/2023 10:44:07 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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To: Disestablishmentarian; numberonepal

I agree with Dis. Any philosophy that leaves God out of the picture is flawed.


1,876 posted on 01/10/2023 11:43:19 AM PST by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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