Posted on 12/16/2022 4:02:55 PM PST by CDR Kerchner
(Dec. 15, 2022) — What if your humble servant were to reveal something here at The P&E which could, once and for all, put an end to “natural born Citizen” (“nbC”) debate raging in the comments sections of numerous posts here? What if recently-discovered “hard” evidence – in the form of a letter from John Jay to David Brearley, Chairman of the “Committee on Postponed Matters” at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 – was produced? And what if that letter confirmed the intent of the Founders to rely on § 212 of Emmerich de Vattel’s treatise The Law of Nations for its definition of an nbC, requiring birth in the nation to parents who were already U.S. Citizens? Would that change any of the minds of those who believe that the only criterion for an nbC is to be born here as a “citizen at birth” or a “citizen by birth?” Curious? Read on. ...
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I don’t buy the birth certificate story. Flying off to Kenya when one is pregnant was something people didn’t do 60 years ago. It was difficult and expensive and it’s not something I’d advise a pregnant woman to do even today.
I did find out about another birth certificate scandal. Unlike our Constitution, Australia’s really does ban those with dual citizenship from sitting in Parliament. The father of Anthony Albanese, the current Prime Minister, was Italian, which would have made Anthony, who was raised by his mother, a dual citizen of Australia and Italy. Albanese got around the law by producing a birth certificate which didn’t have his father’s name on it. Or at least that’s the story as I understand it.
Lt Zullo, Sheriff Arpaio, and the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Cold Case Posse brought in two distinguished handwriting experts from different continents, completely unaware of each other’s existence or work, essentially performing an unbiased (blind) identical study of the Barry Barack Soetoro Hussein Obama birth certificate, BOTH reaching the same conclusion that the document was a forgery based on nine error points. As Sheriff Arpaio said- (It is a) FORGERY- PERIOD!
Zullo screwed up the process that employed those document experts, "both foreign and domestic." Their conclusions were totally false.
The forces arrayed against Barry's frauds are fortunate to have dodged the "bullet" of Zullo's incompetence.
Both Stanley Ann and Lolo were CIA trained through the University of Hawaii's East-West Center, SA as a budding (OJT) anthropologist and Lolo as a military assassin. It's fairly certain that the proper interpretation is that Barry's family has a long and serial history of misrepresenting his birth credentials on his behalf.
Yes siree. And you may recall the even earlier, the first shock for me anyway, when Bill (or HRC) Clinton opened up nuclear trade secrets I believe it was, to China.
That horrifying action deepened the increasing political divide between Republicans and Democrats and became a more visceral one.
An Awakening of sorts struck, between we traditional war hawks, pro-defense and Pro-American Conservatives, against the more globalist bent Anti-American Progressives. We acknowledged that anti-American activity was seen in very high places of our government.
Newt Gingrich, against Clinton, then brought us those historic numbers and overwhelming victory in the House of Representatives. We thought we had our voice back.
We hawks are only just now realizing Bush 43 came along and developed our nationalist tendencies and was able to grease the skids following 911. Pappy ‘41 had been Director of CIA, and unfortunately, we’re learning CIA hasn’t shot straight with the American people for decades.
Eisenhower had soberly warned us of the Military Industrial Complex.
It seems CIA is the shoe in the door for the Pentagon to ramp up the engine for the war machine and corporate producers furnish the equipment, and where are those profits going now?
Colour Revolutions are attributed to the orchestrations of the CIA for installing selected serfs to rule over small, and now larger, countries who have less wealth and defense.
See Victoria Nuland, at State, as well. I swear she ran Brennan.
What a ride. Don’t even get me started on UKR. What a Pay Off for a cover up.
People like CIA Riyadh COS John Brennan saw to the rising star Barry making a trip or two to Kenya for pictures, talks with BHO Sr.'s family and establishing "street cred" there.
Barry's stepmom SA Dunham and the CIA also saw to his garnering similar international experience if not credentials by sending him to Pockystahn. Barry's Indonesian experiences (e.g., with the tranny nanny, Turdi, were not the makings of a future US Senator or President.
Compare GHWBush's rescue at sea at the cost of his Avenger aircraft and the lives of his two crewmen. But the picture established cred for "Skin" as the lanky pilot was known. The USS Finback name, whose submarine crew that rescued GHWB became a lifelong association for him. Later in life, the fishing vessel Finback would figure prominently in The Fuddy Hoax faked death of CIA asset "Loretta Fuddy," an event that was coincidentally beneficial to Barry, as Fuddy saw to the production of a fraudulent Long Form Birth Certificate for him.
A similar picture of a staged shell-damaged prop, shown as if "Skin" brought the damaged plane to a safe landing is also reflective of the Deep State's desires to portray their bloodline/hierarchy family children as having demonstrated superhuman skills.
Barry and his purported-but-not-actual bio-dad BHO, Sr., and Barry's step grandparents (Toot and Stanley) all received three-letter agency "farm" training. This is all de rigeur for someone whose pant leg would be noted as "perfectly creased" in the media by "conservative" (*cough, cough*) David Brooks.
Regarding something that isn't well understood by the courts, I would think a private letter from the Chief Justice of the United States would be very significant in determining intent.
Too bad that in this case, the letter is fabricated.
As to why, read some of Scalia's writings on Constitutional interpretation.
Can you give us a summary as to why Scalia would not accept evidence of Founder's intent?
Thank you. I listened to the actual interview the moment I found it was available. The interviewer asked a deliberately misleading question which the translator had to translate, and he took her "yes" answer to justify claiming she remembered Obama being born in Kenya.
Once the translator clarified the question, the woman said "no."
Didn't matter. People seized upon her first answer and spread that lie all over the internet.
Very annoying.
One of the theories I have advanced in the past is the idea that the term "natural born citizen" meant different things to different people, but all assumed the other thought it meant the same thing they thought it meant.
But there is evidence that there really was an agreed upon and well understood meaning to the term, and that evidence lies in a Pennsylvania law book that was very famous and extensive for it's time period.
"A Digest of Select British Statutes, Comprising Those Which, According to the Report of the Judges of the Supreme Court, Made to the Legislature, Appear to be in Force, in Pennsylvania"
Samuel Roberts (1817)
Rawle's understanding of the term, directly contradicts the findings of the Judges of Pennsylvania's supreme court. Rawle also lost in the Pennsylvania Supreme court regarding his particular claims.
William Rawle is the man most responsible for spreading the modern understanding of the term "natural born citizen."
Hmmm. I must’ve heard a conveniently-cropped excerpt. Tnx.
This is exactly correct.
It was difficult and expensive to get to Kenya from Hawaii in 1961. So difficult and so expensive that it was highly unlikely that Obama's parents could have afforded it or done it.
This is also exactly correct.
Scalia often brought this up in the context of discussing so-called "legislative intent" that is based on the stated motivations of one or more of the people involved in drafting it. He pointed out that they're often is disagreement about what legislation may mean, and the different people may vote for a piece of legislation for different reasons. He also noted that some statements of legislative intent are self-serving to advance the interest of the particular drafter, and may not even have been public knowledge. He thought it would be wrong to ascribe a meaning to a document when that meeting had never been clearly stated publicly prior to its passage.
He also pointed out that in the more modern context, many statements contained in the Congressional Record were never actually stated on the floor at all, but were simply submitted by an individual legislator in writing at some point. Theu are just that individual legislator's attempt to steer future courts and how they may interpret the legislation, when in fact that intent, and do not reflect the common understanding of how those words were used at the time.
For something like the ratification of the Constitution, where the provisions were debated hotly at the state levels, you would have to look at the most commonly understood meaning of words and phraaes used in the Constitution across the colonies as a whole.
The fact that a particular group of drafters may have had an idiosyncratic understanding that was different from the common understanding should not impact the interpretation of the Constitution.
I have done some research on those who ratified it. I wanted to see if any of them had anything to say about what "natural born citizen" meant.
I found out some of them did, and they did not go along with the modern interpretation. If you want some names, I will have to look them up again. Fortunately I saved some of the names on the Vattel research thread.
Samuel Roberts, who wrote the book I mentioned above, was the apprentice of one of the ratifiers in the Pennsylvania legislature. I forget his name at the moment.
But I have to ask you, given that Philadelphia was the site of the convention and the US Capitol at the time, who would know better what was meant than a bunch of Philadelphia lawyers who were there at the time?
Too many have gone.
Exactly right.
For something like the ratification of the Constitution, where the provisions were debated hotly at the state levels, you would have to look at the most commonly understood meaning of words and phraaes used in the Constitution across the colonies as a whole.
I would think the understanding of Philadelphia/Pennsylvania would be the most definitive because *THAT* is where the convention was held, and *THAT* was the US Capitol at the time. The states talked to each other. It is completely reasonable to believe that what Philadelphia Pennsylvania thought was the meaning was also what other states thought was the meaning.
Were it otherwise, it would have provoked a dispute over the meaning.
In any case, are you aware of this?
British author Michael Shrimpton, in his 700-page tome, Spyhunter, avers that a 2008 DNA sample from Barry was compared with that of SAD (claimed to have died in November of '95) and found that there was no close relational match between those two, as between mother and child. As SAD had worked for the CIA for years, it is quite reasonable that the CIA would have taken a DNA sample from her for their records.
If SAD was not Barry's mother, neither was BHO, Sr. his bio-dad, as there would not have been a second partner and bio-mom of Barry's for BHO, Sr. to have spent evenings at parties with the man who later became Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, as the latter has represented.
Also suppressed is that both SAD and BHO, Sr., were under the supervision of the CIA during the time of their mutual presence in Hawaii, says CIA Historian Wayne Madsen, with whom I've corresponded via email.
Post Barry's birth, BHO Sr. tried unsuccessfully to stay in the US to continue his US studies at Harvard. He could have greatly helped himself and likely been allowed to stay in the US if he had been able to claim he had an infant son by a wife, SAD. He made no such claim. Abercrombie implicitly has said that BHO, Sr. "knew of a BHO II" as Abercrombie he was present with the threesome, BHO, Sr., SAD and Barry.
Part of BHO, Sr.'s attempt to stay in the US involved a Hawaiian record of a claim of impending marriage with SAD, that came under purview of social workers, ostensibly to assure theirs was not a sham marriage. The social worker(s) noted they were skeptical of the claimed closeness of their relationship.
Neither has any official record of a marriage between those two ever surfaced, despite the existence of a later divorce certificate, which could have been granted to SAD by simple representation by her that there had been a marriage.
There is no record of Lolo Soetoro ever having been entered into a Barry birth certificate in Hawaii, so as to override a BHO, Sr., claim of parentage. Such documentation was necessary for a Lolo Soetoro claim, but neither SAD nor her parents took any such pains that were recorded with the Hawaii Department of Health or the Hawaii State Archives.
I believe, therefore that all the Kenyan birth claims were planted with the help of 3-letter agencies and ultimately, unsubstantiated, false and vaporous.
Expected to see Fred Nerx’s name in the thread tonight...
Fair Dinkum
At some point, if someone could get hair samples from Obama’s barber or saliva samples off of a drinking object, it could be submitted to ALL of the genetic testing companies in the hopes of a match.
Nerks, Nerks- Nerks- Nerks.
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