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Airlines are lobbying for a change to federal regulations that could put one pilot in the cockpit
CBS News ^ | 12/08/2022 | PETER GREENBERG

Posted on 12/11/2022 10:22:14 AM PST by DFG

In the airline business, there are two cost factors the airlines can never control: fuel and labor. And as technology improves — and pilot salaries increase — there's been a controversial move lately by the industry to try to amend what's known as part 121 of the Federal Aviation Regulations. That's the federal air regulation that requires air carriers to have two pilots in the cockpit at all times.

The airlines have been quietly lobbying that the single-pilot approach would quickly solve the staffing problem caused by the pilot shortage and that technology has vastly improved to allow for safe operation of a single-pilot flight.

There's language in a new bill now introduced in Congress — the Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization bill — asking the Federal Aviation Administration to reconsider part 121 and to allow the use of a single pilot operation, first in cargo aircraft.

Not surprisingly, airline pilots are loudly protesting this idea, claiming that it would diminish a safety discipline and culture that has been responsible for the safest 25 years in commercial aviation in the history of aviation. Pilots unions argue it's all about the airlines saving money and could compromise safety.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: airline; aviation; copilot; part121; pilot; recipefordisaster
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To: TheDon

I agree. The market will take care of this. People will vote with their wallets.


61 posted on 12/11/2022 1:37:33 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: DFG

......woke multi billion dollar corporate “fun budgets” (limo’s, Gulfstream airplanes, Las Vegas girls, mistresses, dope), with inflation, are shrinking. So woke democrat CEO looks around his budget and finds NOTHING to cut except pilots jobs. Who needs a Co-pilot he says!?

This is about as good of an idea as whatever idiot lefty thought up mastectomies and/or penis’s for preteen/teen girls. Or pervs showering with girls, or women fighter pilots. Our world has TRULY gone MAD.


62 posted on 12/11/2022 1:37:57 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: DFG

Here are the facts and opinion of a commercial pilot.

Are SINGLE PILOT Airliners Really Coming?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIShArZ15_0&t=877s


63 posted on 12/11/2022 1:41:35 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: DFG

Our pilot is dead. Is there anyone who can fly a plane?


64 posted on 12/11/2022 1:43:08 PM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: DFG

Watch a few air crash investigation videos and then tell me how many qualified pilots you need on an airliner or other transport.

In case you don’t want to do that the answer is TWO. Systems fail, pilots become incapacitated, two heads are usually better than one, in an emergency the load for one pilot is just far too much.

Get over it, the answer is TWO qualified pilots.


65 posted on 12/11/2022 1:45:32 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: DFG

Will make it much easier for those Allahu Ackbar pilots to get to their promised virgins...


66 posted on 12/11/2022 1:51:25 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperatly need him)
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To: Irenic

I too have given up flying after hundreds of thousands of miles of very long flights across the world.

I saw a cabin brawl video the other day and the seats looked like something out of a 1970s cafeteria. You remember the ones made out of fiber glass that were curved and hard? Not for me and neither are the cabin and terminal brawls. First class and Business class are exposed to the same mayhem.

Still, thought I am not going, two pilots are needed. That was started for a reason. Unless that reason is totally gone now and someone can make a very good case for that, two qualified pilots are necessary.


67 posted on 12/11/2022 1:51:43 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Flick Lives

You forgot the pilot’s job is to feed the dog.


68 posted on 12/11/2022 1:52:06 PM PST by ebshumidors ( )
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To: DFG

This is insanity. Within the last 6 months two pilots have been totally incapacitated in flight, commercial airline pilots. That is why we have two pilots. If this was a one pilot operation all would have died unless a qualified pilot was on board as a passenger.


69 posted on 12/11/2022 1:52:09 PM PST by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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To: Scrambler Bob

“After that.. one engine and one pilot.
= = =

And, then ...

no engine and one pilot or

one engine and no pilot?”

You are familiar with ETOPS (extended twin operations), right? Or as we call it “Engine Turns or People Swim.”


70 posted on 12/11/2022 1:55:15 PM PST by ebshumidors ( )
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To: Othniel77

Exactly, most those idiots jabbed up and boosted up. Lost all respect for Pilots


71 posted on 12/11/2022 2:05:05 PM PST by ground_fog ( My God this was from today!S)
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To: Drew68
Pretty much everything involved with flying passenger jets has become computerized. Really, the pilots taxi to the runway and push a button and that's about it. They spend the rest of the flight monitoring gauges and taking naps.

Passenger liners could operate entirely unmanned except the flying public is not ready at this time to accept pilotless airplanes.

You could not possibly be more incorrect. It would take completely redesigning aircraft to make them pilotless. You're not going to retrofit something like this into an existing airplane, you'd have to build a completely new fleet of airplanes designed around pilotless operation. Making it fail safe enough for the FAA and traveling public to accept would take hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars. Far more money than the airlines will spend on pilots over the next 50 years. Tesla can't even make a self driving car that doesn't run over pedestrians in crosswalks. The first time a pilotless airliner crashes into a neighborhood on final to LAX and kills a thousand people it'll shelve that idea for the next 100 years.

72 posted on 12/11/2022 2:51:13 PM PST by GaryCrow
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To: DFG

With only one pilot in the cockpit the entire staff on the plane had best be trained to safely fly the plane and bring it to a safe landing. At least three pilots have died suddenly in the cockpit in the last year of that new pandemic SADS.


73 posted on 12/11/2022 3:12:11 PM PST by arthurus (covfefe ii)
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To: avenir

Well they totally knew this would happen.

The pilots who were concerned didnt take the shots and were fired.

The people demanding folks take the shots knew what it was going to do, so they knew it would cause a pilot shortage, two ways. Those they then fired and those who would die from the shots.

They caused the shortage. And the desire to try to get only 1 pilot per flight, which will now cause whole planes to go down when the pilot croaks in flight.


74 posted on 12/11/2022 3:46:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ebshumidors

If they are lucky they swim.

Over land, they shred and burn.


75 posted on 12/11/2022 3:48:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Sequoyah101

You’re right, the seat was certainly lacking in cushion. Airline seats used to be reasonably comfortable but that can no longer be said. The passengers on my flight were well behaved, *whew*.


76 posted on 12/11/2022 3:59:17 PM PST by Irenic
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To: Fido969

Shirley you’re not serious.🤪


77 posted on 12/11/2022 4:36:42 PM PST by BiteYourSelf ( Earth first, we'll strip mine the other planets later.)
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To: GaryCrow

Let’s make trains run autonomously first then we can talk. That’s my standard for this type of thing. Do trains, then we’ll start a conversation.


78 posted on 12/11/2022 4:48:36 PM PST by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: FamiliarFace; Othniel77; Drew68; DFG; msrngtp2002; DuncanWaring; BlackbirdSST; ClayinVA; ...
One of the flight attendants, I suppose. Or maybe one of the passengers.

So the plane just automatically flies until one of the passengers comes up to fly and then land the plane.

How about this: On takeoff, the pilot dies, the plane banks.

The co-pilot is a captain himself, and he trains pilots. He is flying in the right hand seat to evaluate the Captain in the left hand seat. If he had NOT taken control when he did, the plane would have crashed which would have killed ALL aboard. This really happened during the Thanksgiving travel time period.

NO, there has to be TWO experienced pilots each able to do everything necessary to control the airplane. Just a few weeks ago, this plane would have been a huge disaster with only one pilot in the cockpit.

RUMBLE VIDEO PILOT DIES WHILE TAKING OFF Thanksgiving travel period Start listening at 3 min 15 seconds

There was another pilot on a flight earlier this year who had a heart attack just minutes after landing the plane as it was at the gate when he dropped. The pilot freely talked about being forced to have the jab and the problems he saw with the forced vaxxxxxxxxinations. And these are not the only two vaxxxxxxxxxine caused problems for pilots. It is a major disaster waiting to happen due to the criminal medical establishment and the corrupt Federal Government.

79 posted on 12/11/2022 7:18:24 PM PST by politicianslie (Genocide with vaxxxxxxines is EASY. The fools get in line and then their relatives bury them. Easy!)
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To: DFG

The fact is, it doesn’t matter if the FAA approves single- pilot operations. The insurance companies will never allow it.


80 posted on 12/11/2022 7:48:16 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches, and get with what's real.)
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