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To: lowbridge; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ..
Score one for the demi-goodness, not the holy, virtuous, Spirit-filled Mary of Scripture to whom no believer in Scripture ever prayed to, nor to any created being Heaven despite the Spirit inspiring the writing of over 200 prayers therein.

But in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,


12 posted on 11/12/2022 8:48:52 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
"But in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics"

Thank you for explaining that Catholics don't deify Mary.

I hope you will continue to spread that truth throughout the forum.

Love,

O2

21 posted on 11/12/2022 9:38:34 AM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: daniel1212
But in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics ...

First - consider Luke 1:43 .

Christians who demean, belittle and marginalize Mary, I believe are very wrong! The mother of Christ certainly is unique and special in the body of Christ. To say she doesn't hold a unique relationship with her Son is beyond credulity.

Mary is not deified by Catholics but rather venerated. I would agree that the extreme Catholic theology that makes Mary God-like is wrong.

A problem that has faced the body of Christ is that of authority. Most Protestant denominations cite the Bible as the sole authority, while Catholics express tradition and scripture as their authority. The fact is that the Catholic church created the current canon of the Bible. You could say Catholic bishops through Church counsels were responsible for discerning and codifying what books and letters constitute divinely inspired scripture. In this sense Catholic tradition, i.e., Church counsels made of Bishops/men framed what you and I today call the Bible.

I believe Mary is the Mother of Christ/God - Luke 1:43. I believe with most of Christendom that Christ's divine and human nature was not and is not divided. I admit, how this works is a mystery to me. Somewhat related is how the Catholic church views the body of Christ. They don't separate the body as those in heaven and earth. They see a communion of saints consisting of those saved in heaven and earth. Christians are in general agreement that we are to pray one for another; that we are to interceded one for another. Many Protestant churches get offended when Catholics, Orthodox, Coptics pray to saints in heaven. If Christ is the sole mediator as we often hear, why ask anyone on earth or in heaven to pray for you?

Just some random thought from someone seeing through a glass darkly.

Shalom!

32 posted on 11/12/2022 12:58:07 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: daniel1212
But in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary...

ALMOST?!?


 




The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos

53 posted on 11/12/2022 6:18:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
Perhaps Catholics should have paid a bit more attention when the catechism was taught to them...

 
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church Revised PB by The Vatican ...
 
 
PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
 
SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
 
CHAPTER TWO
I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD
 
The Good News: God has sent his Son

422 'But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.'1 This is 'the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God':'2 God has visited his people. He has fulfilled the promise he made to Abraham and his descendants. He acted far beyond all expectation - he has sent his own 'beloved Son'.3

423 We believe and confess that Jesus of Nazareth, born a Jew of a daughter of Israel at Bethlehem at the time of King Herod the Great and the emperor Caesar Augustus, a carpenter by trade, who died crucified in Jerusalem under the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of the emperor Tiberius, is the eternal Son of God made man. He 'came from God',4 'descended from heaven',5 and 'came in the flesh'.6 For 'the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. . . And from his fullness have we all received, grace upon grace.'7

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9

"To preach. . . the unsearchable riches of Christ"10

425 The transmission of the Christian faith consists primarily in proclaiming Jesus Christ in order to lead others to faith in him. From the beginning, the first disciples burned with the desire to proclaim Christ: "We cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard."'11 It And they invite people of every era to enter into the joy of their communion with Christ:

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life - the life was made manifest, and we saw it, and testify to it, and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was made manifest to us- that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; and our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. And we are writing this that our joy may be complete.12

At the heart of catechesis: Christ

426 "At the heart of catechesis we find, in essence, a Person, the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, the only Son from the Father. . .who suffered and died for us and who now, after rising, is living with us forever."13 To catechize is "to reveal in the Person of Christ the whole of God's eternal design reaching fulfillment in that Person. It is to seek to understand the meaning of Christ's actions and words and of the signs worked by him."'14 Catechesis aims at putting "people . . . in communion . . . with Jesus Christ: only he can lead us to the love of the Father in the Spirit and make us share in the life of the Holy Trinity."15

427 In catechesis "Christ, the Incarnate Word and Son of God,. . . is taught - everything else is taught with reference to him - and it is Christ alone who teaches - anyone else teaches to the extent that he is Christ's spokesman, enabling Christ to teach with his lips. . . Every catechist should be able to apply to himself the mysterious words of Jesus: 'My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.'"16

428 Whoever is called "to teach Christ" must first seek "the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus"; he must suffer "the loss of all things. . ." in order to "gain Christ and be found in him", and "to know him and the power of his resurrection, and [to] share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that if possible [he] may attain the resurrection from the dead".17

429 From this loving knowledge of Christ springs the desire to proclaim him, to "evangelize", and to lead others to the "yes" of faith in Jesus Christ. But at the same time the need to know this faith better makes itself felt. To this end, following the order of the Creed, Jesus' principal titles - "Christ", "Son of God", and "Lord" (article 2) - will be presented. The Creed next confesses the chief mysteries of his life - those of his Incarnation (article 3), Paschal mystery (articles 4 and 5) and glorification (articles 6 and 7).



 



54 posted on 11/12/2022 6:19:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Wow, Daniel! There’s a whole lot of education in your post. Thanks.


189 posted on 11/15/2022 6:12:48 AM PST by SouthernClaire
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To: daniel1212

SOURCES link didn’t work.

Is this perhaps what you wanted??

https://peacebyjesus.net/marysc.html


190 posted on 11/15/2022 9:36:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

you might want to switch to decaf


221 posted on 11/16/2022 9:33:32 PM PST by TECTopcat
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To: daniel1212

Oh my, the Orgists will not like you exposing the details of their ‘other religion’ which is not Christianity. Hope your flame suit is clean and pressed, Brother. ... See you in the clouds


223 posted on 11/16/2022 9:47:25 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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