I think it is wasted time trying to use logic against illogic.
“I think it is wasted time trying to use logic against illogic.”
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Agreed. You can’t reason with someone who doesn’t use reason, and probably never has.
I will say that I have made some progress using Bible scripture. There is power in the Word that works above and beyond a human level.
> I think it is wasted time trying to use logic against illogic. <
I tend to agree with you. In general, there is no use debating either politics or religion. All that happens is that everyone involved gets defensive, and upset.
And that’s why I usually try to change the subject.
Liberal friend: Trump was a complete disaster.
Me: Who do you think has the best chance to win the Super Bowl this year?
There is, however, one exception to that. If the liberal is not completely close-minded, it’s sometimes worth trying an indirect argument.
Liberal friend: Trump was a complete disaster.
Me: Well, we do need to bring industry back to America.
I’ve actually had liberals end up agreeing with me here: Trump had at least one good idea.
These numbskulls scream "Democracy, democracy" but will not engage in one of the cornerstones of democracy, debate.
They are fascists that censure, use private companies "misinformation" labels to enforce one party rule and shut down the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions.
it depends on the liberal and it depends on the conservative.
and it depends on the topic. Not all the same.
But one clear problem is geographic spread. Big urban areas are 80-20 liberal. outside those urban centers the population is 55-45 conservative. (Note no % left for moderates.)
But Elon Musk is allegedly “moderate”. He sees global warming and is doing more to fight it than all liberals combined. His electric vehicle capitalism is winning.
Elon Musk Free Market Capitaliism is the best example. Most Conservatives used to believe in Free Market Capitalism. In 2002 Sean Hannity could have Pat Buchanan on the radio and point out that Pat Buchanan was the only Conservative who wanted Big Government to stop competition in the labor market.
Now Consevative mostly means Pat Buchanan’s labor market.
And these new Consevatives get all emotional and can’t discuss the labor market on facts and logic.
Of course, the liberals can’t either. Look at their emotiona, hypocritical reaction to illegals being bused to liberal centers.
Agree. Might as well debate a macaque. They cannot be reached.
There is no longer anything fruitful or productive to be gained from debating lunatics who think men can have babies, that your children should be taken from you for transgender surgery, and that we should all starve and freeze to make the weather more better. Our ancestors showed us what needs to be done when debate is no longer fruitful, in 1775 and 1861.
Exactly why I don’t even bother anymore.
They’re not going to change my mind and I have lost any interest I may have had in changing theirs. It’s just a waste of time....and from my last look in a mirror, I don’t have much of that left.
How do liberals respond when you try to debate them?
They call you a racist Nazi.