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To: little jeremiah
I’m listening; about halfway through. I think that Ivan Raiklin’s theory is not accurate; 

I think Ivan makes some really good points about Pence. I agree that J6 took them by surprise and changed the dynamics of objections in the Congress. Pelosi used J6 to complete the steal of the election.  Several people were ready to object to the electorate that were sent to Congress because the states didn't follow the law.  Pence had a hand in shutting that down. I'm only one hour into the video. Very interresting roundtable.

196 posted on 09/01/2022 1:53:29 PM PDT by Keflavik76 (Don't want to be a brick in Babylons wall.)
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Watch the wives!

198 posted on 09/01/2022 2:00:17 PM PDT by Melian ( Unity is all. )
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To: Keflavik76

I had to stop and will continue more later. I want to hear more Patel.

Three things about Ivan’s presentation, so far, I was not fond of. One, he repeatedly referred to his former military position in order to bolster his thesis. Second, he said Trump did not criticize Pence until the last few weeks. Wut???? not true. Third, much of his foundation for Pence being the bad guy was who had had likely worked with, been influenced by, sort of “could be”. My main objection, as I said above, is in order for his theory to be accurate, Trump would have been cowed by the RNC, forced to accept someone he otherwise would not have wanted, didn’t have good intel, and is, basically, not on top of things, didn’t know how the US government works, etc.

And - if he knew Pence was a bad guy, why not pick a different VP for 2020? Ivan also bases his ideas on the assumption that Trump was hoping to win the election, not that, according to Devolution, and in fact Q messages, that Trump willingly “let” them steal it, in order for the Great Awakening - people have to see for themselves. I wonder if Ivan is a Qer.


203 posted on 09/01/2022 2:11:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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